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[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@kylieyangtze 哥们多发一些史实，这帮土耳其人脑子里面装的都是屎

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

First, turks never conquered china, you fucking turkey retard. on the contrary , The Tang conquered the Turks. Let's go through it, since your brain are full of shit.

630: Tang armies under Li Jing wipe out the Eastern Turkic Khaganate. Its khagan, Illig, is captured and taken to Chang'an in chains. The Tang records then have him made to dance at a banquet for the old emperor. That is how the "conqueror of China" ended up: as the entertainment.

657: General Su Dingfang crushes the Western Turks. Their khagan, Ashina Helu, also goes to Chang'an as a prisoner. The Western Khaganate is finished.

And the survivors? Chinese records say well over 100,000 surrendered Turks were resettled along the frontier in today's northern Shaanxi and the Ordos, and nearly 10,000 households ended up living in Chang'an itself. Turkic nobles like Ashina Zhong and Ashina She'er became Tang generals and were buried beside Emperor Taizong at Zhaoling. Not exactly a conquest, was it?

Yes, turks came back in 682. And how did that end? In 744 the Basmyl killed your khagan Ozmish and sent his head to Chang'an. In 745 the Uyghurs, who were not Tang soldiers but your own neighbours, killed the next khagan, Baimei, and sent his head to Chang'an too. Two khagans, two heads, delivered to the Tang emperor. Not even the Tang had to lift a sword.

And the Turks who stayed? The Shatuo served Tang, took Chinese names, ran Chinese administrations, and ended up ruling as Chinese dynasties. So the best a Turk ever managed in China was to become Chinese.

And since you love pan-Turkism so much, let's follow your logic all the way. You say the ancient Turks are your ancestors. Your own genetic studies say only 9–15% of your DNA comes from Central Asia. The Turks and the Turkic royal families who stayed in Tang China are the ones who kept the old bloodline in the old homeland. So by YOUR rules, you are the branch that left home with a diluted copy, and you should be calling them dad.

And if ancestry gives a people the right to land, then by YOUR rules, Turkey belongs on the Chinese map, as a runaway province of the Tang. I don't believe any of this, because borders and ancestry don't work like that. That is exactly the point. Your logic is a joke, and you are the one telling it.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

You’re just a joke .Let's go through history .since your brain are full of shit.

630: Tang armies under Li Jing wipe out the Eastern Turkic Khaganate. Its khagan, Illig, is captured and taken to Chang'an in chains. The Tang records then have him made to dance at a banquet for the old emperor. That is how the "conqueror of China" ended up: as the entertainment.

657: General Su Dingfang crushes the Western Turks. Their khagan, Ashina Helu, also goes to Chang'an as a prisoner. The Western Khaganate is finished.

And the survivors? Chinese records say well over 100,000 surrendered Turks were resettled along the frontier in today's northern Shaanxi and the Ordos, and nearly 10,000 households ended up living in Chang'an itself. Turkic nobles like Ashina Zhong and Ashina She'er became Tang generals and were buried beside Emperor Taizong at Zhaoling. Not exactly a conquest, was it?

Yes, turks came back in 682. And how did that end? In 744 the Basmyl killed your khagan Ozmish and sent his head to Chang'an. In 745 the Uyghurs, who were not Tang soldiers but your own neighbours, killed the next khagan, Baimei, and sent his head to Chang'an too. Two khagans, two heads, delivered to the Tang emperor. Not even the Tang had to lift a sword.

And the Turks who stayed? The Shatuo served Tang, took Chinese names, ran Chinese administrations, and ended up ruling as Chinese dynasties. So the best a Turk ever managed in China was to become Chinese.

And since you love pan-Turkism so much, let's follow your logic all the way. You say the ancient Turks are your ancestors. Your own genetic studies say only 9–15% of your DNA comes from Central Asia. The Turks and the Turkic royal families who stayed in Tang China are the ones who kept the old bloodline in the old homeland. So by YOUR rules, you are the branch that left home with a diluted copy, and you should be calling them dad.

And if ancestry gives a people the right to land, then by YOUR rules, Turkey belongs on the Chinese map, as a runaway province of the Tang. I don't believe any of this, because borders and ancestry don't work like that. That is exactly the point. Your logic is a joke, and you are the one telling it.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

First, turks never conquered china, you fucking turkey retard. on the contrary , The Tang conquered the Turks. Let's go through it, since your brain are full of shit.

630: Tang armies under Li Jing wipe out the Eastern Turkic Khaganate. Its khagan, Illig, is captured and taken to Chang'an in chains. The Tang records then have him made to dance at a banquet for the old emperor. That is how the "conqueror of China" ended up: as the entertainment.

657: General Su Dingfang crushes the Western Turks. Their khagan, Ashina Helu, also goes to Chang'an as a prisoner. The Western Khaganate is finished.

And the survivors? Chinese records say well over 100,000 surrendered Turks were resettled along the frontier in today's northern Shaanxi and the Ordos, and nearly 10,000 households ended up living in Chang'an itself. Turkic nobles like Ashina Zhong and Ashina She'er became Tang generals and were buried beside Emperor Taizong at Zhaoling. Not exactly a conquest, was it?

Yes, turks came back in 682. And how did that end? In 744 the Basmyl killed your khagan Ozmish and sent his head to Chang'an. In 745 the Uyghurs, who were not Tang soldiers but your own neighbours, killed the next khagan, Baimei, and sent his head to Chang'an too. Two khagans, two heads, delivered to the Tang emperor. Not even the Tang had to lift a sword.

And the Turks who stayed? The Shatuo served Tang, took Chinese names, ran Chinese administrations, and ended up ruling as Chinese dynasties. So the best a Turk ever managed in China was to become Chinese.

And since you love pan-Turkism so much, let's follow your logic all the way. You say the ancient Turks are your ancestors. Your own genetic studies say only 9–15% of your DNA comes from Central Asia. The Turks and the Turkic royal families who stayed in Tang China are the ones who kept the old bloodline in the old homeland. So by YOUR rules, you are the branch that left home with a diluted copy, and you should be calling them dad.

And if ancestry gives a people the right to land, then by YOUR rules, Turkey belongs on the Chinese map, as a runaway province of the Tang. I don't believe any of this, because borders and ancestry don't work like that. That is exactly the point. Your logic is a joke, and you are the one telling it.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@Green55782361 @kylieyangtze 你这小逼脑容量还是给我闭嘴吧

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@wancun2022 傻逼你妈的皇汉

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@baluloveacc You are so pathetic living in your ignorance. But as a cat lover, I can still show you how cute my cat is.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

The difference lies in this: when the ancient Central Asian Turks conquered your Anatolian region, you abandoned your own language and traditions, adopting theirs instead. But when the Yuan and Qing dynasties conquered China, their imperial elites actively embraced Han culture, learned Chinese characters, and adopted the Chinese language. This is what we call cultural influence and cultural legitimacy. We have never judged the legitimacy of a regime by race, but rather by whether it preserved and advanced China's civilization over thousands of years. From this perspective, the Yuan and Qing were undoubtedly legitimate dynasties of China.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@ALG2Horse And that’s the ultimate reason why we are furious about the ridiculous and false Pan-Turkism that many idiot Turks holds.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

What I said before about terrorist in china, most of them were influenced by the extreme Islamism and the Pan-Turkism，especially East Turkestan Islamic Movement. This is why strict measures against extremism in Xinjiang were necessary from the outset. Now, after several years of governance, extremism has been effectively curbed. The former extremists have undergone training and rehabilitation, acquiring relevant labor skills that enable them to leave their previous environment and find jobs in economically developed cities on the Chinese mainland and then return with wealth.

extreme Islamism is a serious problem, you had to admitt it. I know there was an extremist Muslim in Germany who drove a car and ran over Germans who should have been enjoying happiness and joy on Christmas.

The only difference is that your country's extreme Islamism has not yet caused the same devastating impact as it did previously in China's Xinjiang. Moreover, due to so-called moral constraints, you have failed to take the necessary strict measures to curb extremist Islamism.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@Daniela_1631 @cxzj 这个评价很精准，的确是居委会大妈视角

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@ZhangMino 说的都是一些废话

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@cngz1283 Take a good look at this paper,you fucking imbecile, This paper makes a strong case that the vast majority of modern Turks' ancestry comes from Europe and the Middle East, with Central Asian ancestry accounting for only about 9%–15%.
https://t.co/jrpPm7imbR

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

I know, I had a Döner just a few days ago and I love it. I'm studying here in Berlin.

I also know that Turkish workers did a lot of the hard, dirty jobs in West Germany: construction, washing dishes, driving taxis, delivering food, and so on.

I only said that I've met quite a few Germans who really don't like Turks. And as far as I know, only around 9% of Turkish-origin Germans have a university degree, which is very low.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

I've read through the replies you got, and none of them is quite accurate or complete, so let me try to give a fuller picture.

On legality: many Chinese people assume using a VPN is illegal, but the legal picture is murkier. Article 6 of the 1996 Interim Provisions on international networking requires international connections to go through state-provided gateways. However, Article 3(3) of the Implementing Measures for those Provisions defines these "international gateways" as the physical channels used for international connections, not VPNs or proxy services. So some Chinese legal commentators argue that merely *using* a VPN is not explicitly prohibited (laying your own undersea cable would be). Selling unlicensed VPN services is clearly illegal, and some individuals have still been fined in practice, though whether such fines would survive an administrative review is debated.

Enforcement is also uneven. A huge number of people use VPNs, so policing them one by one is impossible. Ordinary users reading foreign media are generally left alone. Trouble mostly starts when someone posts politically sensitive content that spreads widely while physically in China.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

@Surfertyp @LjshYso93480 Hasst ihr Deutschen die Türken nicht auch ziemlich? Haha

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

AI propaganda ？Quit smug about your ignorance, come and take a look at this paper first:
https://t.co/iavw6hsMj1

This paper makes a strong case that the vast majority of modern Turks' ancestry comes from Europe and the Middle East, with Central Asian ancestry accounting for only about 9%–15%.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

You're right that Turkish nationalists who talk about Uyghurs as "blood kin" are talking nonsense. But your post has some gaps, so let me fill them in.

1.On minority policy. For decades China has run preferential policies for minorities: bonus points in the college entrance exam, reserved posts in the civil service, autonomous regions with their own governments. You can argue about how well they work, and some have been scaled back in recent years. But a state that hands out bonus points by ethnicity is a strange candidate for "policy built on ethnic hatred."

2.On Xinjiang and terrorism. You talk about oppression as if it fell from the sky. The security campaign came after years of violence. July 2009: riots in Ürümqi, 197 dead by the official count, most of them Han civilians according to Beijing. October 2013: a car driven into the crowd at Tiananmen. March 2014: knife attackers at Kunming railway station killed 31 people and injured 140 more. That's a railway station, where ordinary people wait for trains. May 2014: a bombing at an Ürümqi market, at least 31 dead. Chinese authorities blamed ETIM-linked separatists, a group the UN sanctions committee listed as a terrorist organisation back in 2002. I read your long post twice, and I couldn't find those victims anywhere in it. France, Britain and the US all hardened their security after attacks. Only China, apparently, is expected to answer terrorism with a seminar.

3.On self-determination. Equal rights for Uyghurs and Tibetans as citizens: yes. But "self-determination" doesn't mean what you'd like it to. Outside colonial cases, international law does not recognise a right to secede from an existing state. If what you mean is separation, say so plainly instead of wrapping it in the vocabulary of rights.

[游羽 @Frank_SCU]

Uyghur turk my ass,💩 The Uyghurs of history (the Uyghur Khaganate) and the Göktürks were different peoples with different states, and they were enemies. In 744 the Uyghurs, together with the Basmil and Karluks, overthrew the Second Turkic Khaganate and took over its steppe empire. Yes, they spoke related Turkic languages. So did the Kyrgyz, who then destroyed the Uyghur Khaganate in 840. Sharing a language family doesn't make everyone your cousin; otherwise every Romanian is Italian. And the Turkish language only reached Anatolia with Oghuz groups in the 11th century, a different branch from the Uyghurs. One Y-DNA lineage in common is not a nation.