@AVS_BEACON@fishstark Ah, but see, I'm not a moron. Maybe I'm wrong or I'm any number of other things. But I'm actually not a moron. You chalking up our differences to that reinforces my belief about you. You got nothin. Just feelings you can't explain.
@AVS_BEACON@fishstark I don't think you actually know the reasoning at all. You prefer to not think about it. You probably have a really childish understanding like "men hated women before 1920 then just before then they started liking them more and let them vote."
@fenixamy@AVS_BEACON@fishstark Doesn't sound the same as "women are less valuable than men." In fact it sounds pretty similar to why we don't let kids and non-citizens vote: the outcome of their voting would be risky to the success of the country. We can disagree about that for women, but that's what it was.
@xwanyex Exactly like Christians I debated in school who became very angry when I asked them how they were so confident that the Bible was true. The ones that did that were not confident. The calm ones who engaged thoughtfully on the other hand were!
@BryBry2249@fishstark Well according to leftist twitter, that "live debate" must have been one person making common sense points and the other making unintelligible animal noises because it is utterly inconceivable to them that a sentence could be constructed to oppose women's suffrage. π
@fenixamy@AVS_BEACON@fishstark The same argument you just made would've been made of women voting pre-1920. They might've said "trains aren't cars." The point is that there are reasons for not letting some people of equal moral weight vote. Those reasons are worth knowing.
@fenixamy@AVS_BEACON@fishstark Me: "why can't kids vote?"
You: "because we don't let under-18s vote among other things"
That's a circular argument.
Non-citizens aren't a "part of the country"? Millions are here living and working for decades. How is that not a part of the country?
A leftist will look you right in the eye and say they understand arguments against breeding, against private property, and against humanity living at all, but that they cannot think of a single argument against universal healthcare or suffrage.
@fenixamy@AVS_BEACON@fishstark Circular argument. We don't let kids vote because they're kids.
If this is too hard, how about adults who are non-citizens, do we not let them vote because we view them as "less than"?
@HannahDCox Super dumb. As if Wayne would say "gasp! How dare you??" His whole point was that you should be able to articulate the cons of accepted norms. Implied: without losing your shit over it. That you can't reflect on the topic calmly is revealing. You should wonder why!
@AVS_BEACON@fishstark It's very stupid to think that something that didn't exist until 1920 had zero reasoning behind it worth knowing about, if only so you can effectively identify and combat it in the future. Your lack of curiosity is not noble.