Hot take, but this is exactly why it kind of annoys me when diseases get so much attention and funding and barely goes anywhere, it makes more sense to fund a new food industry like lab meat, its so groundbreaking, saving animals and even limitless food supply solves so much.
Disagreeing with veganism because you think its an impossible diet is the same as disagreeing with going to space because we didnt have any rockets yet, like yeah im saying we should invent that bro.
They requoted and then blocked me, which is ignorant and deceitful, if your gonna be a pos then just block me instead of making a reply I cant respond to.
Don't move on, its not just an internet argument, we want people to care about animals, and theres more you can do then just being vegan, Your voice matters.
What everyone doesnt understand is if the majority of meat eaters thought the suffering was bad and advocated for a new food system even while still eating meat we would advance the world so much quicker, dont throw out logic because you cant personally commit to being vegan.
@victorrexic True, but whether they are lying or not, what "some vegans" say does not justify ignoring the core of what veganism advocates for, which is a want for the world to change and eventually end suffering.
These would still make you vegan, its about reducing as much harm as you can while still being healthy, I hate how anti-vegans use this excuse to justify 99% of people eating meat like twice everyday and not caring about it.
It's also a healthy privilege. If you've had breast cancer, you likely can't have soy. If you have any allergy that aligns with vegan replacements, soy, nuts, legumes, etc. you can't have a lot of vegan food, and so on. Not everyone can be vegan.
Everyones just got to be for the common good and this wouldnt be so confusing, lets not try to "win" arguments but rather actaully come to understandings.
Anti-vegans think its a "universal dietary prescription" when its really a movement about wanting to end the suffering of billions, how we do that is another conversation.
you cannot impose a universal dietary prescription w/o accounting for these conditions. otherwise you disregard the material realities of people concerned. also, veganism's broader adoption would've implications for entire sectors of production & livelihoods of numerous people
Think about it like this, maybe you not being vegan isnt the same as slavery, but the point is that the treatment of the ANIMALS is still slavery, its about them and you can hate a system even if you think its currently vital to society.
I would argue this is the most realistic way to end World Hunger aswell, if food can be easily cultivated and nutrients improved then it can be spread across the globe.
All we need is humans to come together and agree animal suffering is wrong, it being ignored will cause hundreds of billions more to suffer needlessly, I am not saying the world must go vegan, but rather create a unified plan to change to a new and ethical food industry.
@ghostedpixie It takes nothing to atleast acknowledge industrialized farming of animals is the cause of the most suffering on earth, hence why we need to advocate against it more, but i agree people shouldn't be so forceful about it, i also think the best solution is food innovation(lab meat)
"Why arent you guys mad at the industry" do you not realize that's the entire vegan argument, unfortunately if we just allow the other 99% of society to laugh about it then nothing will ever happen, industries are mostly run by the demand of the people.