Come on, the first two screenshots back up what I said and contradict your point. When USC found out about ND's sweetheart top-12 seed auto bid they wanted to get some stipulations in the matchup. Why? Because the CFP committee consistently proved that they would favor a 10-2 school with 3 FCS non-conference wins over a 9-3 school with a non-conference loss to a top opponent.
You don't need to be reminded again that no logical USC fan thinks we are better than ND. Obviously the move to the B10 meant that USC's conference schedule was now inherently good enough that a 10-2 record against any three non-conference opponents would make a 12-team playoff. (wasn't enough in the Pac-12 before that)
USC would've been in the playoff discussion last year if they had scheduled SJSU a year earlier instead of going to ND in October during conference play. I hate that the committee punished schools for tough non-con losses over wins against FCS schools but that's what they did. And we've seen many planned non-con matchups get canceled because of it.
Also USC clearly holds the leverage in the relationship as ND continues to be independent. That's why ND came crawling back to the negotiating table and we'll see you again in a few years.
You know the SOS will be drastically different after week 12. Indiana and UCLA vs. SMU
ND gonna comfortably finish 11-1, SMU obviously the toughest but that’s a win. USC prob goes 9-3 but could go opposite ways.
Didn’t address my point. I never said USC was better than ND what I really said was I don’t understand how ND fans can judge USC/Lincoln for acting in their best interests and trying to schedule ND pre-B10 play when SC’s schedule is much tougher than ND’s.
Toned down? It was a record breaking crowd.
People need to also realize how much the sport is rapidly changing as schools adapt and improve in the NIL era.
The 2025 Week 11 CFP Rankings had 0 teams with 3 losses in the top 22. 2026s Week 11 has 6.
The sport has changed. Parity is highest it’s ever been.
@SeanCliffor@cliff_ohio Next time Penn state is ranked 20-24 and plays in the playoff as team that “doesn’t deserve the playoffs” I’d expect you to keep the same energy and not watch
People don't want to admit it but Saban Urban Carroll. The "Alabama" Standard. The "USC" Standard. The "Ohio State" Standard. Those coaches poisoned the minds of college football fans into thinking their success were standards and not anamolies.
Fans of these schools feel let down when their teams don't perform to those standards because they believe that standard is built into the culture of those programs. Unfortunately that's just not true.
If you take the time to zoom out 20-40-60 years and look at the sport there is a cycle of success. No program has been good forever. 10-20 year periods of consistent top-level success that those 3 coaches achieved was an anamoly of their own accord. Expectations of repeating that seamlessly are extremely unrealistic.
But thats not how people want to look at the sport because it's much easier to blame the reason for their school's lack of consistent success on the coach not being good enough than to admit that consistent success is simply really hard.
Obviously you don't. Stop being selfish. That would be a huge day for Minnesota.
This sport isn't just about the top-5 or 10 teams. You've lost the plot thinking anyone outside the top-10 is a worthless team. Or you thinking selection sunday was an event to fans outside of the teams on the border. Newsflash, no one gave a shit. That selection sunday you fondly remember was just your turn.
And before you start rambling about 8-4 Minnesota being "pathetic" a first-round playoff win for a school like Minnesota would lead a second-round game which would be the programs biggest game since 1960. So ya, it matters to someone.
And with the way Matt Campbell has the team going you'll need the 24 in order to sniff a significant postseason game
@SeanCliffor@cliff_ohio Oh Selection Sunday will always be an event don't you worry. Just maybe not for your school. But it'll always be an event for someone.
And good, let the CFP committee screw PSU over for years and years to come if that's a feeling you don't mind
Actually I take that last part back.
Keep NIL how it is fine. I think the sport desparately needs to bring back a 1-year suspension for transfers. These guys are making all this money they can keep their commitments to the schools.
I would argue that the roster turnover we see today is worse for the sport than anything else.
The day I saw a kid transfer to his rival school is when everything that was ever good about college sports and what made college sports special died.
I get it I miss that time too I've been to more than 70 Pac-10/12 games in my life. I loved that conference and winning that championship was all anyone cared about too.
But that time of the sport ended in like 2013. It ended when the world/sport started going national. iPhones, social media. The best players used to always stay somewhat local. It was unheard of for California athletes to play college in Florida and vice versa. During the more regional and local times of the sport, conferences had a different aura.
But the sport is national now. And it's not just "greedy" school ADs and mega conferences. Players that used to never go to school across the country almost do that more than stay home these days. How can players care about school rivalries and conference championships when they've played in 3 different conferences over 4 years?
I don't think we're even disagreeing I guess I just have moved on. The days when conference championships meant what you and I fondly remember it meaning doesn't exist anymore and there's no bringing it back.
In 2016 your PSU team's national championship aspirations were over on September 24th. How could you anticipate more to come from that season after that? How ridiculous is the concept that your season could be over on September 24th.
And the team turned out to be unbelievable. Cruising down the stretch and finally hitting their stride. That team was good enough to win a national championship.
I did enjoy going to that Rose Bowl tho. Luckily my Trojans pulled it out
@greensportcoat@dc4305@cjhadley82@On3 Of course it was great. I've been to 6 of those games.
I was responding to "with conference championship games removed how are we going to determine the champion"
They did it for years we'll be fine
That's fair. As someone who's diehard school lost to a top-10 team twice to finish 11-1 both seasons and end up in a BCS bowl was not a rush haha. It was frustrating. Maybe thats bias but I want to believe that fans who think those regular season games in October were cigarattes either never were a fan of a team playing in one of those games or your school made it so often that when you lost those games you could live with it.
And back then going 11-1 got you into a BCS bowl game and it was a massive deal I had fun going to them. But I would love to be able to go back and see how those 11-1 rosters would've done if they got the chance to play in a playoff.
I get the NCAA and the sport ignored the fans by making this change but are the fans considering what the players want? Obviously a team ranked #19 in the final rankings would rather play in a first-round playoff matchup than against the same team but in the Alamo Bowl. Even if those teams/players know they have no chance at winning the natty. And the game is going to be a much better product because the teams and players would actually try instead of im the bowl games where 50% of the roster sits out to transfer or rest for the NFl draft.