"Before Zen, mountains were mountains and trees were trees.
During Zen, mountains were thrones of the spirits and trees were the voices of wisdom.
After Zen, mountains were mountains and trees were trees." #ZenProverb
The thing I like to keep in mind, is that even experts disagree with each other.
You can have two different people with PhD's + 20 years of experience vehemently disagreeing over a topic.
They also said just 1 shot, 2 shots, 3, 4
And AHA tells you seed oils are heart-healthy.
@VigilantFox I think what Vance is saying, is that to a human intelligence it does not matter what we call it. Both types of entities are beyond a human's perception of reality. They exist and operate in realms that humans do not. Whether "divine" (as in the Bible) or simply extraterrestrial.