@Just_B_More@GamboPocket@PushDemsLeft You can’t put at least some blame on the party or the leader of the party for the previous 8 years up until her nomination? Against the worst candidate in history? Who outright said he wouldn’t accept the election results if he lost and refused to elaborate on almost any policy?
@leftist_logical@PushDemsLeft An intractable GOP and defecting Congressional Dems are more the reason it failed than Obama, whipping the party can only go so far.
@Just_B_More@GamboPocket@PushDemsLeft More in the latter half, the party ended up not being able to get enough grassroot support to defeat the worst candidate in history in 2016, and the ACA was constantly on the defensive against a GOP platform of total opposition without any policy proposal, it’s kinda fair to say.
@leighbeadon@iwolf6645@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft I did, maybe you missed it, not single-payer explicitly, but universal healthcare and universal coverage, which seems more like a distinction without a difference.
@leighbeadon@iwolf6645@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft He called it universal healthcare and universal coverage, that is the position that can be emphasized, single payer is just one way to go about it, many other “single-payer” systems are still mixed public/private options, so the actual policy lined up with it, all but in name.
@leighbeadon@YoungHegaylian@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft I remembered it wrong as being explicitly single-payer, but he did run on universal healthcare and universal coverage, which involved expanding the public option to be a single-payer like system, and integrated with existing employer-based systems with supplementary public funds.
@leighbeadon@iwolf6645@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft Yeah, he proposed a compromise position that would result in universal healthcare and universal coverage by expanding the public option to guarantee it, it was a reasonable position to take to assuage fears of the largely employer-based system being replaced.
@leighbeadon@PushDemsLeft Universal healthcare and universal coverage by expansion of the public option to guarantee access is analogous to a single payer system, and it should have been a stepping stone.
@MarxismNoPhone@PushDemsLeft Which proves that more progressive platforms can win national elections and Dem party nominations, and it is a fact that can and should be used to push the party towards progressive policies as opposed to appeasatory ones.
@Korbeliever43@FunnyBooksClub@booradley31@PushDemsLeft Yeah, he compromised from his platform and ended up passing Romney’s and further reform pressure collapsed into defensive action when Boehner/McConnells universal obstructionism kicked in, and it stalled instead of acting like a stepping stone.
@YoungHegaylian@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft A public option guaranteeing total coverage is at least analogous to many single payer systems, i saw it more as Obama rebranding/framing it that way to get support, rather than opposing it completely. The pushback within the party be mentioned was the reason it ultimately failed
@GamboPocket@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft His media strategy and grassroots work definitely left much to be desired, moderate Dem defectors were another reason it failed, added with the
entirely intractable GOP, compromise was definitely needed at the time. The party can and should be pushed on that basis.
@leighbeadon@iwolf6645@Just_B_More@PushDemsLeft Yeah, and that was truly terrible, but the fact that Obama ran on it proves 1) it is a viable national electoral platform, and should be emphasized as much as possible to party leadership to gain support, and 2) there is a non-insignificant Dem faction in favor of it.
@PushDemsLeft It failed because the larger Dem coalition , but it was still a national campaign platform, and it won, we can’t let Dems forget that, during COVID too many said “the idea is untested electorally” but it’s not true, and it should be emphasized.
@VSlay@deep3rdman@PushDemsLeft He ran on universal healthcare and largely expanding the public option to guarantee everyone has coverage, which is analogous to single-payer. Yeah, Congressional dems not backing it was the reason it failed, but it was still a national campaign with that platform.
@deep3rdman@PushDemsLeft But he campaigned on it, so it was “in the cards”, the ACA was the compromise position, but the party has acted like it’s never been tested as a platform in a national election when it clearly has been