@LaylaAbdalMasih@SeerahDawah Unlike what he claims about Justin not knowing gJohn, the scholar he continuously appeals to has extensively demonstrated that Justin did in fact know gJohn. The evidence is so overwhelming that it has basically become a consensus at this point, despite earlier doubts.
as outras religiões só "suportam" Jesus depois de desapocaliptizá-lo totalmente: só mais um profeta tribal, só mais um iluminado, só mais um mensageiro do dharma, só mais um avatar de vishnu. os judeus o rejeitam precisamente por saberem quem Ele é: o que rasgou o véu do templo.
Having only recently come to Christ, I find I haven’t the energy to weigh the claims of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Oriental Orthodoxy.
Part of me resists taking up the early Church Fathers at all. The road to belief was long enough, and I’m not sure I have another such journey in me. Chat am I cooked?
I understand, but your original post is confusing. I believe you’re saying,
“setting the miracles aside, Christian theology handles the problem of evil worse than Maturidi theology, especially on animals.”
What I & others initially understood was, “granting the Catholic miracles opens the door to a version of the PoE that Christianity in particular struggles with”.
@dmontetheno1 Let me restate your original post,
—Even if we grant them (the Catholic miracles I presume), it opens the door to a pretty uncomfortable conversation about Christianity and the problem of evil…—
What door does it open for Christianity that stays closed for Islam?
I don’t understand. How does Islam avoid this? The sea parts for Musa and his fleeing people but it doesn’t part for the families in Gaza. The fire is cooled for Ibrahim but not for anyone in the ovens at Auschwitz. Isa is rescued from the cross but Yahya is beheaded and Zakariyya is killed
@KhalilAndani Do these same historians think Jesus himself claimed to be born of a virgin? Or that the claim traces back to the historical figure at all? Or is it a later tradition that attached itself to the Jesus movement?
RE 1st question, smth localized happened in the sky over that field, on the day and at the place it had been promised three months earlier. That’s why tens of thousands of people gathered together at that location waiting for a sign.
RE 2nd question, yes there are quite a few. Avelino de Almeida of O Século, chief editor of Lisbon’s largest paper, which was firmly secular/anticlerical. He was there:
“From the road, where the cars were packed together, and several hundred people had remained, not having had the courage to advance towards the muddy field, one could see the immense multitude turn towards the sun, which appeared at its zenith, coming out of the clouds.
It resembles a dull silver disc, and it is possible to fix one’s eyes on it without the least damage to the eye. It does not burn the eyes. It does not blind them. One might say that an eclipse was taking place.
The attitude of the people takes us back to biblical times. Stupefied and with heads uncovered, they watch the blue sky. Before their dazzled eyes the sun trembled, the sun made unusual and brusque movements, defying all the laws of the cosmos, and according to the typical expression of the peasants, “the sun danced”.
What did I see at Fatima that was even stranger ? The rain, at an hour announced in advance, ceased falling ; the thick mass of clouds dissolved ; and the sun – a dull silver disc – came into view at its zenith, and began to dance in a violent and convulsive movement, which a great number of witnesses compared to a serpentine dance, because the colours taken on by the surface of the sun were so beautiful and gleaming.
Miracle, as the people shouted ? A natural phenomenon, as the learned would say ? For the moment, I do not trouble myself with finding out, but only with affirming what I saw... The rest is a matter between Science and the Church.”
***note these are his statements from two separate articles***
🧵 The Miracle of the Sun is the most evidentially weighty miracle claim in any religious tradition. It was announced in advance, at a fixed date and place, and before the public & reported by hostile sources.
If you have 11 hours of free time today, here’s my comprehensive case for Catholic miracles (and various non-Catholic ones, too). The evidence is stronger than you might think! Enjoy❤️🔥
https://t.co/GPhT9tDg8o
So what do you do with this? For me, the miracle isn't the most incredible part. It's what it points to. It vindicates the theology packed into the Rosary and the Prayer. The Trinity, Mary as the Mother of God, and Jesus forgiving sins.
On October 13, 1917, tens of thousands gathered at the Cova da Iria in pouring rain. Contemporary estimates ranged from 30,000 to 50,000, and one witness put it near 100,000. The crowd included believers, the curious, & skeptics.
Witnesses reported that the clouds parted and the sun appeared as a dull silver disc that could be looked at directly without pain, that it spun, threw off colours across the landscape, and appeared to plunge toward the earth before returning. The phenomenon was reported by witnesses kilometres away who were not part of the crowd.
If you have 11 hours of free time today, here’s my comprehensive case for Catholic miracles (and various non-Catholic ones, too). The evidence is stronger than you might think! Enjoy❤️🔥
https://t.co/GPhT9tDg8o
An Egyptian convert from Islam to Christianity is facing persecution.
Which is unconscionable: people should be free to accept or leave any religion, including Islam, without fear.
It is also absurd: religious coercion cannot create sincere faith. It can only create hypocrisy.
Tarif Khalidi: "The moral of the story seems quite clear: that one religion will often act as the hinterland of another, will lean upon another to complement its own witness. There can be no more salient example of this interdependence than the case of Islam and Jesus Christ."