John Wayberry

Recovering jerk, aspiring Saint.

Not arguing for truth, but giving "likes" to those who do.

"Together, we can 'like' the world."

[John Wayberry @JWayberry11827]

@Latterdaytruth I see no reason a DIL of Joseph Smith would retain and wear a locket containing *Hyrum’s* likeness.

I also have trouble believing that JSIII would own a photo-realistic image of JSJr, and not publicize that image and its provenance in order to bolster his own leadership claims.

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@ExMosPostingLs Re his point 2) - and then they finally figured out that what he was ultimately trying to “guide” them to was the conversion of the Church into a giant full-service, any-orientation brothel; and things became too hot for him to stay on the Church’s payroll.

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@PioneerPaperTrl 2. Catholics are justifiably a bit smug over the lovely worship spaces they’ve built over the last thousand years. But if we are comparing faiths on the basis of what they’re building *now*— the fact is that most of the stuff they’ve built lately in anytown USA is gosh-awful.

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@PioneerPaperTrl 1. I love the classic cathedrals and it would be great to be able to have a St. Peter’s-style celestial room. But form has to follow function; financial resources aren’t infinite; and scriptures tell us that at some point there is such a thing as *too much* architectural finery.

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@infantrydort His dad Jonathan was a gunsmith in Mormon Nauvoo, before the Mormons were driven out to Utah; and his old shop is preserved as a living history display. The senior Browning would inscribe each of his products with the motto “Holiness to the Lord - Our Preservation”.

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@huge_nibley I saw allusions to some sort of adultery brouhaha, but still have no idea what originated it.

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@nicoraytruth This quote about a German immigrant to America, from a 1941 essay published in Harper’s, reminds me of your attitude towards Mormonism. I thought you might enjoy it.

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@nicoraytruth Beautifully expressed; thank you.

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@nicoraytruth You’d always be welcome with us LDS; but consider our theology and truth claims carefully.

I suspect you might be more serviceable to your family, to your faith and to the world as an exiled Catholic than you would be as a non-believing Mormon.

Much respect, love and prayers—

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@CynicalPublius When a bear at Yellowstone starves to death—do you blame the tourists that got the bear used to eating Twinkies, or the park ranger that forced the tourists to stop feeding Twinkies to the bears?

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@realDrTT I’m LDS, so no real dog in the fight. I wish trad Catholics the best. But I understand and agree with the Pope’s point that individual bishops can’t go around ordaining other priests and bishops all willy nilly without apostolic authority.

How did SSPX expect him to respond?

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@TAlanHorne @LukeFHan But what if when we finally meet the aliens, it turns out that they are actually short and not dressed like Quakers at all?

;-)

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@nicoraytruth Politically, maybe not. Not until Christ returns, anyways.

But there are other aspects of the Kingdom besides the political facet; and I think maybe that’s what the LDS leadership is trying to convey.

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@realDrTT I’ve read there was a long period where Catholic Churches throughout the US were not built with windows at street level—because experience showed that (Protestant) passers-by would break them.

LDS history is no walk in the park. But I’m glad our churches can have windows.

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@AaronRHolloway1 @Grownded Right. My concern is: the early Church rejected Arianism in part because they thought openly defending it would make them look dumb in front of nonbelievers.

I feel like a lot of the impetus behind rejecting IR, is identical.

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@gwowls @sister_slay It’s not a cult if *everybody* joins it.

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@RestoredTruth8 @JS_StrngstSldr With respect, “Show me an explicit statement from this foundational source or I will reject it!” is a creedalist argument.

Lots of what we believe/do in the Church is based not on something Joseph said/did; but on logical inferences therefrom.

Example: parent-child sealings.

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@ThoughtfulSaint “Saints who believe *my interpretation of* the scriptures”, no?