Many have changed their opinion on Israel, doesn’t have to mean their integrity is assumed compromised by Qatar if they visit there. I think assuming as much only pushes people away from Israel’s POV and into the other camp. If people are doubting bc it’s hip lately, I’ll sincerely listen without namecalling, unless the name is really really funny.
@StefanMolyneux Babies and mature adults, welcoming homes, a life time of meals like sacraments, dance partnership, and love, which are all way cooler than things crafted of metal.
@Joel7Richardson@Pastor_Ken_CBC I guess it takes more than the Israeli state not existing to shatter the hand of the whole “people”, though Daniel would have conceived of the two as the same in his day perhaps🧐
Most of my failed attempts at maintaining a non-transient connection with people is the result of them too frequently responding that their family needs their time, so it follows as a matter of course that every person in their life but their family will be transient. I think most people have inflated sense of how much their kids need their time and a deflated sense of how much the members of the Body are meant to be treated as family.
Wow, thanks, this post really clarifies your position in a way I never understood. Yea I’m in the other camp; I don’t think ‘already but not yet’ (or literal-now-relatively-invisible ‘both/and’ literal-future-totally-visible-from-Jerusalem) equals Gnosticism. I think heretics just abuse concepts from an authentic view and become Gnostic. I see ‘In Christ’ (Eph 1.9ff), and an aspect of it - the already-not yet’ paradox - as the fundamental mystery balancing all the theological tensions the faith. I’m glad you emphasize the physical Jerusalem future so firmly and I wish N T Wright would too bc I like him a lot.
Love what you’re doing, Mike; do you have a video or post giving examples of exaggerations or false claims personally made by Bill Johnson regarding miracles or prophecy where he evidently knew what he was doing? As i’ve looked into it I’ve been unable to find a case where Bill directly personally was deceptive or manipulative, so it appears I find two likely flaws 1) Bill wants to delegate confrontations to other coworkers and just do his thing undistracted; 2) Bill oversees a megachurch and this model by nature cannot be truly overseen, and this approach is also taken with praying for the sick by praying for full large rooms of people, making follow up on experiences useless in verifying miracles, which Bill is not concerned with.
I would not walk this way personally, but it seems to give a context that makes is less than fair to just conclude Bill engages in false claims. It seems there’s error, but that does not seem to be what the error is. Think I’m onto something? Maybe the correction Bill needs is not being concerned and outspoken enough.
I agree entirely. I was thinking about verses that make it clear because a lot of leaders who get called on to judge these things have prooftexty cultural thinking, ya know? And our views on a case like Brown sounds common-sensical to US, but we’ve had these situations blow up right next to us, so it had to become common sensical for us. I can see this can be a stumbling block to leaders without that experience when there isn’t a text in Paul saying “never again” for adultery per se, like there is for women having to wear headcoverings, be quiet, unflatteringly dressed and not influential.