@RandalRauser Growing up in my church, we only ever sang the chorus (we were Pentecostal not big on hymns). This is the first time I learned there was more than just the chorus. But on its own, I think the chorus is worth singing and praying. I guess it depends on how you parse the words.
@kamilkazani Maybe they just use the narrative of the past as an excuse for their current biases more related to current events, but I am not wise enough to be able to parse those two things out.
@kamilkazani I don't know when I have conversations with people especially people with a more "nationalist" bent, there is definitely an anti Muslim attitude. Definitely activated by the current events, but the anti "turkish/muslim" narrative they are raised on is not for nothing
@DPGBehler@TomHicks2LCF And you can say they don't belong in the cannon but postulate that the Apostles still took them seriously and they affected their world view.
@jdpritchett@DPGBehler@ThoughtCrimes80 How does the “love” in love your enemies differ from the love your neighbors? What does Jesus mean by it and why would it be controversial?
@DPGBehler Years ago in my Sunday school class I had some Hebrew roots people. I didn’t argue the pagan origins of Christian holidays, but I just made the argument that what Jesus does is redeem pagan things and if he can’t redeem a pagan holiday, how can he redeem a pagan human?
@kamilkazani Even to answer the question you are asking here the Trad would have to have the moral clarity you are saying didn't exist (if I am reading you correctly)
@kamilkazani LotR is more nuanced than that. Golem shows what a hobbit could become if he/she chases power same as Sauron having his origins as "good". There are other examples of this as well.