@Sensus_Fidelium “The Christian under no circumstances can accept Stephen Decatur’s doctrine: “My country, right or wrong.” …If our country is wrong, let us make it right; and when it is right, if need be we will die for it.”
- Venerable Fulton Sheen, “War and Guilt”
@JoanneMason11 “We do not ask God to fight on our side. We pray to fight on God’s side. We pray not as Americans who happen to be Christians. We pray as Christians who happen to be Americans.” - Venerable (soon to be Blessed) Fulton Sheen, Catholic Hour, “Prayer in Wartime”
So, according to the gospel of Ryan…
Someone can unrepentantly reject Christ’s commands and still be saved.
That isn’t the Gospel Christ and His Apostles preached. They consistently taught that saving faith is expressed through love, repentance, and obedience.
@residentreformr Let’s see: straw man, oversimplification, composition fallacy, category error, begging the question, appeal to ridicule, false equivalence, suppressed evidence, argument from incredulity, and motte-and-bailey. Yep. I think they call this an illogical opinion. Nothing more.
@joshwhitlatch She has been relentlessly persecuted for over 2000 years before you, by princes and principalities, kings and emperors, legions and many Judases, Protestantism and paganism, Islam and Judaism, media and politics. She will survive me and you. Deus Vult!
I don’t believe Sam is a Christian. My opinion. Nothing about any of his posts implies he’s actually a Christian. I think he’s a con, who gets off by spending all day, every day, attacking the Church. Something else like to do that too. Don’t waste your time on this guy people. Pray for him.
That said here’s some off the cuff information on our lady of Guadalupe and the Tilma:
A cactus fiber cloak from 1531 should have fallen apart in about twenty years. It is still hanging in Mexico City almost five hundred years later.
People later made copies on the same kind of cloth and painted the same image. Those copies fell apart in about ten years.
In 1979 an infrared study found no sketch under the original face, hands, and robe, and no brushstrokes on those parts. Later gold paint and the moon flake off. The original image does not.
After the image appeared, millions in Mexico became Christian. The picture itself points to Christ. She is pregnant. She wears a cross. She stands on the moon.
And so much more.
Google it. Oh YouTube it. Or don’t. But it is very interesting and the story can be readily found.
Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for us! And for Sam.
Okay. I’ll try by best to summarize. Christianity/theologians have long separated the biblical “law” into the old, new and natural/moral. Works of the law are the old covenant laws (old laws) that both initiated and marked Israel as God’s people, like circumcision, food laws, and feast days, animal sacrifices, etc. Paul says those works (old law) cannot make anyone right with God. Natural law is the basic moral sense God wrote on every human heart, such as knowing murder and theft are wrong, and that law was not canceled, it was written on our hearts. The new law is the law of Christ: the Holy Spirit given through Jesus, who writes love of God and neighbor on the heart so we live as children of God, not as people trying to earn favor by keeping Moses’ code.
As mentioned, Paul already spoke the law written on the hearts, of works tied to Moses covenant that cannot justify anyone, and of the law of Christ. Early teachers such as Irenaeus (2nd century) and Augustine said Israel’s ceremonies pointed to Jesus (the whole point) and then ended, while the moral law remained. In the 1200s Thomas Aquinas named the same three realities: natural law, the old law, and the new law of the Holy Spirit. A large part of Protestantism agrees on much of this. I’ve heard it preached from the pulpit. Luther, Calvin, and later Lutheran and Reformed confessions all taught that the ceremonial law is fulfilled in Christ and that the moral law, which is also the natural law, still binds. Many Protestants also say God writes his will on the heart. The usual Protestant deviation is not that they deny these kinds of laws, but that these laws still will not let any works, even good ones, done by grace, count in being made right with God.
Thoughts?
@DromedariusGB@5SolasMissy I highly recommend esteemed Protestant Theologian Alister McGrath’s book, “Iustitia Dei” for an in depth explanation of the Catholic position on justification. I don’t recommend you get it your information from the X anti-Catholic crowd.
And you think there are no Protestant rants on X of equal or greater fervor which “lack the Holy Spirit”? The level of your bias reasoning is astounding.
Further, true, Ignatius never names a bishop of Rome. But, “Because there was none” does not follow. Argument from silence, false dilemma, equivocation, and a non-sequitur.
He names nobody at Rome at all, no bishop, no presbyters, no deacons. Silence about everyone cannot and does not prove the office was missing.
Irenaeus (~180) lists Linus, Anacletus, Clement, Evaristus , Alexander. Deemed a pope or not, even some Protestant historians still treat those names as real Catholic leaders of a singular Church: J.B. Lightfoot, Theodor Zahn, Philip Schaff, J.N.D. Kelly, for example.
Get serious MJ. 🧐