Jude

ポストカトリックの作家。物語のかたちを通して神学と向き合い、ローナガン、ジラール、バルタザールの系譜に学ぶ。全相形態論（全相）を構築し、英語では Holomorphism と名づける。

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@MattMcC1074 @webdevMason And it wasn't clear she was "told" to exit in the video. What was clear is the one agent ran up to her car seemingly hell bent on dragging her out by how he was attempting to forcibly open the car door. At best his behavior was unprofessional at worst illegal.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@MattMcC1074 @webdevMason This behavior where people are threatened with a gun to coeerice behavior is not okay. Guns should only be drawn if they are expected to be used. What you're defending here is the type of jackboot tactics police use in a police state.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@jabrad127922249 @carolmswain You're switching the argument. Yes, if she did that she most likely would still be alive—although that is not certain. The fact still remains you can't execute someone for disrespecting your authority as LEO and no American should want to live in a country where the police can.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

He never acted in any way that would have defended himself. His only argument is that he jeopardized his own life by getting in front of the vehicle in the first place and then by prioritizing drawing his service weapon over moving out of the way because he believed she was a threat to other agents. Ironically, that only became true after he shot and killed her and the car went out of control.

So self-defense? There is no self-defense case to be made, because his life was never objectively in danger and he never acted as if he feared for his own life.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

Well, we know she had no hostile intent because she did not in fact hurt anybody. If she had wanted to ram the officer, she could have, because he very foolishly ignored his own agency’s policy about getting in front of the vehicle and prioritized drawing his service weapon over moving out of the way. You cannot stop a car with a gun, which the video amply demonstrates.

The only time the vehicle actually became a danger to others was after the driver had been killed. Luckily, no one else’s life was ruined by this agent’s negligent recklessness.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@AD0N3XUS @cb050562 @thatsKAIZEN Nope, you're wrong about this, and that's why I think they will move to eventually try and prosecute him.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@politickychicky @MeganFoxWriter Ironically, it was only after he shot her in the head that other people's life were in danger from the vehicle.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

But it did not kill him. You cannot murder someone after the fact because they hit you with their car. I should also stress that other angles show this video is very misleading and that he was never actually struck. My point is that even if he had been, it still would not have justified shooting her after the fact.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@AD0N3XUS @cb050562 @thatsKAIZEN You may be right, as the FBI is already moving to ensure that the investigation fails. So it depends on whether the state chooses to prosecute the officer, and if they do that's going to be one hell of a mess.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

Even if she did, you cannot just kill a person for that.

He had a duty that she did not. He violated that duty in multiple ways. First, why did he move to the front of the car in violation of his own agency’s policy? Given that she was a panicked driver trying to escape, that was stupid reckless on his part. It was almost as if he were looking for trouble or trying to put himself at the center of the action.

Then why did he prioritize drawing his service weapon over getting out of the way? It is not as if you can stop a moving car by killing the driver, as the video itself clearly demonstrates. Luckily, no one else was harmed or killed by his reckless actions.

Factually, his life and the lives of the other officers were never in danger, at least not until the moment he shot her and turned the car into an uncontrolled missile.

The agents had a duty not to escalate the situation, and they failed. She had no such duty. These people were not equals. What the cop did was criminal, and if this ever goes to court, I am confident that will be the finding.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@BernBidenTrump @DrewPavlou She didn't have a responsibility to be right, though. He did! These people are not equals. He had a duty she didn't have.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

No offense to you, but you must be dumb as dirt if you believe the best response to a car aimed at you as a weapon is to shoot the driver. It is not. The correct response is to get the fuck out of the way. Shooting the driver will not stop the car. It will not save your life.

The best argument available is that this agent put his own life in jeopardy because he believed other agents’ lives were in danger. The problem with that argument is that it simply is not true. In fact, the only real threat was created by him killing the driver, after which the car sped away out of control and could have killed anyone.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

But it was not a deadly threat, and he never acted as if it were a deadly threat.

First, he walks around the side and, ignoring his agency’s own policy, moves to a position directly in front of the car. The woman probably did not even see him, which is stupid reckless on his part. Remember, as the agent, he has the responsibility not to be careless here.

Then, when she starts turning, he prioritizes drawing his service weapon over getting out of the way. It is not as if you can stop a car with a gun. In fact, after he shoots her, the car speeds away out of control until it crashes. Thankfully, no one else was harmed or killed by this officer’s reckless actions.

So where is the behavior that demonstrates fear? All I see is a guy trying to place himself in the middle of the action, someone who is very quick to draw his service weapon and then discharge it, killing her even though there was no factual threat to his own life or to the lives of the other officers.

She acted recklessly as well, but she did not have the obligation that the agents did to avoid escalation. All there was on their part was escalation.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

And that justifies him shooting her?

When you look at all the angles, he has his hand on the car, so it never actually hits him. But let me concede the point for a moment. If he had been more concerned with getting out of the way than drawing his service weapon, maybe he would not have been hit at all.

Why did he break his own agency’s policy and move toward the front of the car in the first place? And why draw his weapon? It is not as if it was going to stop the car. In fact, after he shoots her, the car speeds away out of control until it crashes.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@AnotherAbuMiles @jpodhoretz Yep. Fuck her she wouldn't get out. That bitch deserved to die.

You really seem to be a genuinely useful idiot in the destruction of America.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

You do not get the concept, do you, lol.

The whole point is that they are trying to get away with it. They are trying to put themselves in a legally justifiable position, just like your medical aid example. Sure, they eventually allowed her to receive aid so someone like you could argue that aid was administered. But have you ever seen what it looks like when an officer is actually trying to save someone’s life?

I have seen guys shoot other guys and then save their lives, and I have seen guys shoot other guys and let them die while doing just enough to tick all the boxes.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

There is nothing in this agent’s behavior that suggests he was afraid of the car. He moves from the side to a position where, when the car turns, he ends up directly in front of it. She did not even see him. That is not only against agency policy, it is stupid reckless.

Then he prioritizes drawing his service weapon over moving out of the way. It is not as if a bullet is going to stop a car. Case in point, after she was shot, the car sped up out of control until it crashed into another vehicle. Luckily, no one else was injured by the agent’s reckless actions.

Everything about this suggests that this guy loves getting in the middle of the action, and I'd bet that he has always been quick to draw his service weapon too.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

You are right, I cannot believe I called him an officer rather than an agent. But yes, a lot of these ICE guys have the same energy that contractors did in Iraq. Guys who were there just to get away with murder.

This guy seems to like being in the middle of the action, and he prioritized drawing his weapon rather than moving out of the path of the vehicle. It is not as if a bullet is going to stop a car. Case in point, once the driver was shot, notice how the car sped up until it crashed. Luckily no one else was killed too. Not to mention that by agency policy he should never have been in front of the vehicle in the first place, but he came around from the side anyway. She didn't even see him. I mean that's stupid reckless.

Yeah, everything about this feels like a guy who was looking for an excuse to me.

[Jude @JerboaJude]

@AnotherAbuMiles @thatsKAIZEN So she didn't receive aid is what you're saying.