@yuGnamuH@ppyrek1@jgreet71@TalbertsirhC@SenSanders The issue is that the percentage paid out of pocket has declined, which has increased overall costs. If providers realize the person getting treatment isn’t actually paying the bill, they jack the bill up. That’s been happening since the 60s. Numbers publicly available.
@AmazonGabi @alexpppalace@LukewSavage Lets cut to the chase. You think healthcare is too expensive and you are asking for a price control and government spending to finance the system. Let's cut the "decommodify" stuff and get to what you are actually saying.
@AmazonGabi @alexpppalace@LukewSavage You are contradicting yourself. You said it would be "decommodified", but just said they'd be "compensated". That means that it's still being treated as a commodity because you are compensating people in exchange for them providing what you might consider to be a "right".
@SUNDER__1 @theculkineffect @DeanBrowningPA@AOC I'm actually not attacking you and I can see clearly where you are coming from. You're likely from a first world country and your default worldview is possibly "man, we have enough resources to just take care of everyone". Yes, but those resources have to be produced. no shutdown
@SUNDER__1 @theculkineffect @DeanBrowningPA@AOC You're making the assumption that we can have very low production and still be okay. That is an ignorant view that someone who has never lived in a third-world country would have. I am originally from Nigeria. I will tell you, real production has to occur or people will die.
@SUNDER__1 @theculkineffect @DeanBrowningPA@AOC Which countries? Spain? Italy? Who? Who is having shutdowns and doesn't have elevated unemployment? Mention these countries specifically who shut down and are doing well. You won't be able to.
@FisGoing@Kampeg1000@ShouldJustDelet@DaCheesyAlfredo@alissakmclean@TeamPelosi So then you have to ask if the people who allowed corrupt policies in healthcare are suddenly going to right better policies if we give them more power of pricing... for an issue we are only asking them to solve because of how badly they messed up the system... probs not
@FisGoing@Kampeg1000@ShouldJustDelet@DaCheesyAlfredo@alissakmclean@TeamPelosi That’s a broad sweeping comment. Here’s my issue with it... it underestimates how bad specific policies are that benefit politically well connected insurers. It almost assumes insurance just naturally became this way. However, there are specific policies and corruption out here.
@aaronmichaelfox@TeamPelosi As I noted, I don’t like the current system and I never claimed to support it. I also don’t like the system you’re mentioning... and never claimed to support it either. I have mentioned rs LMS ideas of a better system.
@aaronmichaelfox@TeamPelosi I also agree with you in theory. But most preventative care is paid for with insurance today, which inflates costs. So, anyone who doesn’t have it is mainly screwed because of the inflated costs insurers provide, or else it’d already be affordable for most people.
@aaronmichaelfox@TeamPelosi But do you understand the financial side? My wife is an RN, but I was an administrator. She doesn’t get the economics behind it. I’m like that way in software engineering. I get code, but don’t understand software economics as well as I do healthcare Econ and financing.
@FisGoing@Kampeg1000@ShouldJustDelet@DaCheesyAlfredo@alissakmclean@TeamPelosi If you implement M4A, end patents. Let people compete so that we get more drugs and we end the politics in healthcare. Ironically, if we got rid of the regulations that don’t actually help people, we might have even wanted M4A to begin with.
@FisGoing@Kampeg1000@ShouldJustDelet@DaCheesyAlfredo@alissakmclean@TeamPelosi I mean the current proposals for both are dumb as hell though. I’m actually not inherently against those things. I do think that the way we go about implanting them tends to border on stupidity. With M4A you need to undo a ton of regulation for example before even consider it.
@AmazonGabi @alexpppalace@LukewSavage These things are still commodified because the workers expect resources. If we really broke your plan down, it would blatantly come back to a commodified system where people actually have to exchange resources or things fall apart.
@AmazonGabi @alexpppalace@LukewSavage They pay MORE in terms of the annual rate of inflation in most industries for healthcare, so I’m not sure how you are defining “little”. If by little, you’re comparing it to the rest of the industries in a given country, that’s just flat out not accurate.
@TheAstrolabe@No2nato@sofain @Mr_Kroppy @SFOSecretary@KinkyDude42069@historicganglo I have “told” them insofar as I don’t vote for them (or democrats). When more people stop voting for the two major parties and seek alternatives, we can make progress. These politicians revealed themselves decades ago. People should be waking up.
@alexpppalace @AmazonGabi @LukewSavage Prior to widespread employer-based coverage, what I mentioned previously is what actually happened. People had cheap plans and rarely used insurance. Most people paid out-of-pocket, which limited what providers could charge. Brought costs down. Makes more sense.
@alexpppalace @AmazonGabi @LukewSavage What would happen without the way we incentivize employer based coverage is that most people would instead join the individual market. Less money would be funneled into the system. People would seek cheaper plans since they’d have to actually pay for it. Would have lower costs.