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@BlueBullet1981 Ok I have a thing where I think you can't have too many short guys, but short is not 5'11" lmao. What the hell is wrong with some of these GM's?
@hockeystudent22@FnDunlop@dantencer I never thought I would see someone call him shoddy in the corners, he doesn't go in first, but he comes out with it more than he doesn't. He also happens to play 82 games a year like clockwork. What an amazing coincidence.
There are days (especially when I'm watching a game after the fact) I would pay extra for this. As a student of the "Bruce McCurdy School of Hockey Watchingโข" Being able to hear every tip, touch, post is incredibly informative about the state of play. I can't tell you how many times Dad picked up deflections and goalies making "knob of stick" saves just from sound.
NHL fans in Indianapolis have no broadcaster audio for Game 1 of the Stanely Cup Final. Here's how the first goal sounded on WRTV with only the in-arena sound.
Toast, hashbrow, sausage, english bacon, eggs, blood sausage, mushrooms, and beans, in clockwise order from the remains that are easiest to identify. Missing the grilled tomato and an even remote understanding of temperature control, though this whole post is straight engagement bait.
@BurnleyMonday@FnDunlop@dantencer I posted another comment farther down, but I'll offer one additional point, Werenski played with a weaker team and a more varied assortment of teammates both defensively and offensively for more minutes. He had a great season.
I can make you a compelling case he should have won, and worst case be the runner up (which I just did). My acknowledgment that they probably made the right choice is giving some credit to the ambiguity of voting for Norris, and my understanding of the "perceptions" around each player. Unfortunately, Bouchard has an awful reputation around the league (even though every single one of his contemporaries makes the same types of egregious mistakes Bouchard gets crucified for), thanks in no small part to the local media and fanbase over the course of his earlier career.
I don't agree with the process though, the Norris should arguably be about the Seider's and Slavin's of the league, and the PHWA has pretzeled themselves into it being a scoring trophy, except when the guy leading scoring by 14(!!) pts plays for the Oilers.
Werenski had an incredible season and I've said multiple times (prior to today as well) that he deserved the Norris, but damned if the process isn't stupid at the same time.
@JustinLavvs@FnDunlop@dantencer 25% of voters had Bouchard outside the top 5. If you want to know what my real beef with this whole process it's that the litmus test of hockey knowledge failed pretty drastically.
@vanceinla@FnDunlop@dantencer "The numbers" I used are actually pretty light in terms of advanced analytics, I didn't get into WAR or other composites, the only composite I used at all was xGF, everything else is a true measurable.
I can make you a compelling case he should have won, and worst case be the runner up (which I just did). My acknowledgment that they probably made the right choice is giving some credit to the ambiguity of voting for Norris, and my understanding of the "perceptions" around each player. Unfortunately, Bouchard has an awful reputation around the league (even though every single one of his contemporaries makes the same types of egregious mistakes Bouchard gets crucified for), thanks in no small part to the local media and fanbase over the course of his earlier career.
Was Werenski?
Bouchard: 82:21-74-95/+25
Werenski: 75:22-59-81/+7
The Norris has been a scoring trophy since forever, except when it doesn't please the voters (see: Tyson Barrie).
Bouchard had more GWG (5 v 2), more OT goals (3 v 0), a higher overall SH%, nevermind his advanced stats.
Also Werenski went 2-4-6 through his last 13 games. Bouchard was 2-15-17 through the same period. There's a narrative that he choked on the home stretch and was a contributor to his team missing the playoffs, which is a bit hard to dispute, though obviously it's a team sport and not his fault alone.
Bouchard played 147 mins PK, with 7.3 GA/60.
Werenski played 91 mins PK with 8.56 GA/60
Bouchard played 298 mins of PP, with 12.48 GF/60
Werenski played 227 mins of PP, with 7.65 GF/60
At 5v5:
Bouchard was 55.4% CF, 56.4% SF, 57.6% GF and 54.1% xGF
Werenski was 53.5% CF, 53.1% SF, 52.5% GF, and 53.7% xGF.
In addition to all of this, the Norris over the past 40 years (with some exceptions, sure) has been awarded to the defensive scoring leader (right or wrong is irrelevant).
I understand why he won, but the fact Evan finished 4th given the above shows more about the PHWA voters than it does about the players.
If the Norris was a all around d-man trophy as it actually says on the tin, Seider would have won it by a landslide.
So considering above, which "all around" catagory is Werenski beating Bouchard in?
FWIW, I think Werenski was probably the right choice, but Bouchard finishing 4th is a joke.