@PeteATurner Following the team no matter how badly ownership treats you isn’t toughness. Fisher is the one who made me stop loving the A’s the same way. I was there through thick and thin, but moving was the final straw. You call that soft. I call it having some self-respect.
@PeteATurner You act like you’re this tough baseball guy while telling lifelong fans they don’t have a right to be upset. Some of us loved this team since childhood. Calling people soft and saying they should just take it isn’t honesty or positivity. It’s just being a douche.
@PeteATurner The movement didn’t fail because it was wrong or ineffective. It failed because greed won. Most baseball fans seem to understand that. You’re the one carrying water for the people who took a team from its fans and then acted like the fans deserved it.
@PeteATurner You say you’re correcting false narratives, then turn around and create one about A’s fans being shitty, soft, victim fans who deserved it. That’s the same thing you’re accusing them of doing. If you think this fanbase wasn’t mistreated, you’re just in denial.
@PeteATurner Why would anyone put stock in your read when you mostly just insult people, then admit the thing they’re worried about might actually be a concern? You said Bally’s is TBD, could fail, and we have to wait. So maybe stop acting like everyone else is stupid for having questions.
@PeteATurner@rule4theenot4me You don’t get to act like you wanted a real conversation after punching down at Oakland fans, calling them soft ass bitches, and saying you’re thrilled their team left. You never made a sound argument. You just dressed up contempt for Oakland fans as analysis.
@PeteATurner@CalBearCanha@MitchAbides@Athletics@BreakItDownshow That’s rich coming from someone who can’t keep the argument coherent. You started with fans didn’t care, then pivoted to city politics, stadium economics, and the Coliseum mess. Sounds like you know what the truth is deep down but you’re gonna schill for him anyways.
@PeteATurner@CalBearCanha@MitchAbides@Athletics@BreakItDownshow Funny how this started as blaming fans and now somehow it’s city dysfunction, stadium politics, ownership choices, and the coliseum being a mess. Kinda sounds like there were a lot of reasons other than “fans didn’t care.”
@PeteATurner@CalBearCanha@MitchAbides@Athletics@BreakItDownshow You’re arguing against yourself now. If the A’s “never recovered” from not getting a new yard, then attendance wasn’t just about fans being soft. It was stadium, ownership, politics, and trust. That’s my whole point. Blaming fans is the lazy version of a complicated failure.
@PeteATurner@CalBearCanha@MitchAbides@Athletics@BreakItDownshow But I thought it was the fans' fault?! No, it's the city council and every Oakland mayor going back decades! Definitely not the guy who refused to invest in the team or the stadium, traded away the fan favorites, and then walked away from the Howard Terminal deal. Makes sense.
@MitchAbides@CalBearCanha@PeteATurner@Athletics@BreakItDownshow It’s not baffling, Mitch. Fans can blame Oakland politics and still blame ownership. Fisher gutted the roster, increased ticket prices, and announced a move to Vegas. Acting confused that fans were angry at the owner who moved their team is just performative.
@jtlope@PeteATurner@Pete_Hrdlicka@MitchAbides@Athletics@BreakItDownshow I can question Oakland politics and still blame ownership. Those are not mutually exclusive. The city had faults, but fans didn’t gut rosters, neglect the Coliseum, poison trust, or choose Vegas. Turning shared institutional failure into “fans deserved it” isn’t sound logic.
@Ltdsoltd@PeteATurner@sparkeyj3583 If you keep tweeting at yourself like this you’re actually going to land on the point that’s being made. Keep going!
@Ltdsoltd@sparkeyj3583@PeteATurner Not Tampa Bay? And you’re saying winning isn’t the only thing that draws fans? I thought that was what you were saying?