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Freethinker and skeptic enthusiast. No sacred cows.

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Your “Objectivist” label is interesting because you seem to not grasp what is capitalism entails. BlackRock’s not capitalism; it’s crony scum feasting on state regulations and subsidies. Winners in real markets earn it through value, not bribes; slash the nannystate, and BlackRock flounders like we would want of any parasite. Your “always ends up on top” cope? Unfortunately, it's not based on merit, because the government is backing "their boy" and playing umpire at the same time.

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Jesus Christ already. Paying someone was never the thing that made you not an artist. People commission because they want a result, not because they failed some sort of purity test. And you saying that before now you paid an artist, now you pay AI, still a commissioner… only works if the AI is the artist you hired. You just called it a plagiarism tool. A tool isn’t a hire lmao. A camera isn’t a commissioner setup either.

And all of art is a remix blender. There’s no moral hazard if you study and learn what’s out there, or if you have a tool to expedite the process. Plagiarism is talking of direct copies. AI models have a sea of data to develop its outputs, not unlike an art student using their own capacity to study the world and learn techniques. Just faster. And speed isn’t the test of what’s art or plagiarism.

The wage line is another tell of fallacies galore. “Doesn’t need minimum wage” is a labor complaint. That’s it. And no one is entitled to a particular job indefinitely. So again, plagiarism is a copying claim. Cheap doesn’t make it theft, and expensive didn’t make the old commission magically more artful. Right now it seems you’re upset that the art cop gatekeeping is now losing its grip.

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@mylesblasonato @Yin_NGMI “This is not my idea of fun therefore I must strip it from others.”

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@GrumpyOldGit5 @KbatcherPhenix @warcroft It was an explanation not a stamp of approval.

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@SorareStrats @deadsun_0 We deprived gladiators of their jobs too. Progress for the whole of humanity rather than a select club of people marches forward. With or without you.

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@MitraHispana @BigDayJ77 @JoshDaws The fact that you weren’t able to showcase any actual fallacy is the tell. Your non-argument is forfeiting by default. Thanks for playing.

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Then you’re not making only an AI point. If the Amish are largely correct according to you, the “soul” left at the car, the light switch, and the printed book. Skill and effort being the humanity test doesn’t stop at the AI model prompt. It hits the life you’re already living. So either move the line back for yourself pal until you’re churning butter, or admit “low effort” seems to only conveniently count as soul death when the tool is one you just don’t happen to approve. The Amish are very much consistent. You’re not.

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@MitraHispana @JoshDaws Do you want a cookie for all the extra effort? If you want to go down the rabbit hole of “work gives the humanity” then go live with the Amish. Guaranteed they’ll tell you that your way of life strips the soul out of it.

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@CleanComedian69 @JoshDaws Most human art is outright garbage and "soul" is a placeholder crutch when you don't happen to like the latest tech tool.

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@MikunologyCV01 Oh no getting blocked by a self-appointed art hall monitor. LOL. The blatant egoism for your ilk is insane.

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That's not true at all if you had bothered to do the slightest bit of even surface level digging. Trust me, I loved the old look of say examples like McDonalds and Pizza Hut. They had inmense charm and felt like a cozy spot. The corporate look feels like some humanity was lost.

But what happens when such a store goes out of business? The layout, the furniture, and the look are the opposite of plug n play for an interested company wanting to move in. Instead of getting top dollar with a plain corporate look that works for most businesses, the seller is more at the mercy of the buyer who gets to say what needs to be replaced and wanting a discount for the look they "have to deal with." You know what used to be an old Blockbuster. That doesn't appeal to entities not a Blockbuster.

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@j1nwuzher3 @bruzerpet Also a history lesson on art gatekeeping:

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@j1nwuzher3 @bruzerpet Worshipping the grind for the sake of it is a reductionist contest you don't want to play. It'll make you look like a lazy chunp compared to the Amish.

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@j1nwuzher3 @bruzerpet Certain skills become less valuable over time. Just a fact of life you need to come to terms with.

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That’s the thing, I don’t care if the darn bread is good or cheap. The issue is it’s good and cheap! Half the point of eating is the baking of it. That’s what makes us human. Mills, yeast packets, the grocery store, all of it reducing the churn to nothing. Same with cloth. Same with a printed book instead of a copied one. Same with a light switch instead of trimming the wick. If the act only counts when it’s slow and costly, the settlement’s the only true and enlightened way.

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@NightmareFoxxyy @Zapdroid Cool story. No one is stopping you. But when you want to be a gatekeeping art cop elitist that's when you're being a dipshit.

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The calculator is allowed to exist in its use without your approval. People use them all the time and math didn’t disappear. You still learn the basics if you want them, the tool just keeps you from doing long division every time you need a number. “Let AI do everything” is the fearmongering version.

So, let's get this straight: A tool sitting there isn’t a class that bans learning. Correct? Kids can still draw, still write, and still grind it out if they so choose. But art is about direction, taste, and what you decide to keep. Both can co-exist. Worshipping the grind for the sake of it is a reductionist contest you don't want to play. It'll make you look like a lazy bum compared to the Amish.

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Here’s the thing that's certainly true: The AI model doesn’t feel anything while it generates. But...so what? A camera doesn’t feel the shot either, and a brush doesn’t sit there experiencing the stroke. If someone has to feel the creation for it to count, that someone is the person with tool. You already put the expression in the thoughts. The tool having no inner life doesn’t somehow wipe that out.

And “you merely helped it” has the whole thing clearly backwards. You asked for it. It rendered what you asked for. It didn’t walk in with a picture and get an assist from you. Detached doesn’t quite land either. The output is stuck to the prompt you gave it. No feelings on the machine’s side... okay sure thing. That still doesn’t make the ask meaningless unless the only experience that matters is the renderer’s, and you haven’t said why that would be the rule.

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You just said prompting is a skill, and that the writing is closer to an art form. So let's start there. The thoughts are the expression. The prompt is you putting those thoughts into a form. If that’s the human part, it doesn’t vanish because a machine rendered the picture. Rendering is what the tool is for.

Then your conclusion doesn’t hold. “You can’t express it without genAI” is true of the camera too. You can’t express that photo without the camera. Needing the tool isn’t the same as the tool being the only one there. And “the machine does the work” only suceeds as a point if the rendering was the expression. You already said the expression was the thoughts. So the human part didn’t stop at the prompt. It was only you that stopped it there.

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@VulpineLune @DeceasedI17732 Calling a spade a spade when acting and behaving like a spade is not ad hominem. That would be like catching someone in a lie, calling them a liar, and you're stupid enough to believe it's ad hominem.

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@VulpineLune @DeceasedI17732 You type like a 12 year old, and attribute well thought out structured arguments as AI. Your fallacy fallacy argument was fully retarded, and after you got called out you had to find a way to make a pitiful attempt at a "clean" exit. It's fully disgraceful.