Jake

[Jake @Le_Master]

@NaomiVFisher Good, so then the caricature should be clear.

[Jake @Le_Master]

This book gets hyped up a lot on twitter. Opened it for the first time straight to this page. Things aren’t looking promising.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@BretVDB Don’t feel guilty. Aratus finagled his way into Luke the Evangelist’s Acts of the Apostles.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@SVG__Collection Nothing beats Burl Ives’s haunting recording from 1949.

https://t.co/3uCYZJ640J

[Jake @Le_Master]

Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. But he doesn’t ever claim to know nothing, that can’t be gathered from what he says, and it’s odd trying to defend that caricature—especially given how he makes positive claims of knowledge. He says he doesn’t pretend to know what he doesn’t know which is entirely different (and consistent with his making positive claims of knowledge).

[Jake @Le_Master]

@NaomiVFisher Obviously it is contrary to what he says in the other dialogues. But staying only with the Apology he explicitly claims he knows things like injustice being bad, virtue being prior to wealth and other goods, the examined life being the greatest good, etc.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@NaomiVFisher “The only thing I know is that I know nothing” is not found or implied anywhere in what he says, and it is contrary to what he actually says.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@the_culturist_ @JeremyTate41 @SulkinMaya And you think the CLT has anything to do with classical education?

[Jake @Le_Master]

@zenahitz They sometimes even get used as the premise of entire textbook chapters written on him.

https://t.co/zqmaoSrhqd

[Jake @Le_Master]

This book gets hyped up a lot on twitter. Opened it for the first time straight to this page. Things aren’t looking promising.

[Jake @Le_Master]

She did not “prioritize” Latin and Greek. But even if she had, that doesn’t make her educational philosophy rooted in classical education. Living great books especially is unrelated to it. None of her education is aligned with the classical liberal arts nor their telos. Not sure why there is this group within CM so determined to be associated with classical eduction. What’s wrong with accepting her as the modern reformer she is with a distinct philosophy?

[Jake @Le_Master]

“ "Isn't about... language" is false on its face. Neither grammar, nor dialectic, nor rhetoric can be distilled away from language. In fact, collectively, they are the arts of learning through language.”

Your ellipses are doing a lot of misleading work there. And your response to the point I did not make is still beside the point. The medium of language isn’t what makes the arts of the trivium what they are or what makes them liberal. Theology, medicine, natural philosophy, and even mathematical science (and yes the quadrivium) cannot be separated from language.

People since antiquity have applied astronomical learning to astrology. That doesn’t make astronomy as a science or as a liberal art in any way astrological. Just like using logic and rhetoric for sophistical purposes doesn’t make them sophistical. Not sure why you’re confusing applications or corruptions with definitions.

Regarding human and natural history. Obviously the liberal arts aren’t ordered to them. So I hope that’s not what you’re saying.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@gmdvc78 @samtripoli Looks grey, thinning, and receding to me

[Jake @Le_Master]

@CLT_Exam The CLT is a college readiness test

[Jake @Le_Master]

@ulfcytel Wouldn’t you think it better to say your genealogy proves the dna tests correct?

[Jake @Le_Master]

@mtracey @FreeNortherner “I’m clueless, therefore everyone else must be.”

[Jake @Le_Master]

@CLT_Exam This stack of books isn’t classical education

[Jake @Le_Master]

Medieval is classical with respect to education. His description is neither (especially with the ‘empowering’ language). The liberal arts are propaedeutic. They’re concerned with ordering the intellect toward higher philosophy and theology. The trivium isn’t about learning anything passed through language. The quadrivium isn’t about learning from nature, and it isn’t ’typically through mathematics.’ It is strictly mathematics. And its purpose as liberal arts is to turn the intellect toward intelligibles. I’m not just nitpicking. His is just the common ahistorical language found in the modern classical movement that just adds to the confusion.

[Jake @Le_Master]

@lueyee Correct

[Jake @Le_Master]

@rpondiscio Not really