@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 I am referring to how Jesus obviously gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins. You are putting your own personal interpretation of what Christianity is above what the Bible plainly teaches. Yet another counter-example to sola scriptura. Nothing more to say on the matter.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 You do know that priests/elders/Apostles are/were part of the Church just like believers are, right?
And you're still ignoring the plain language of the verse like that? I already told you that the action is the Apostles', not the people they're talking to.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 I guess it really is too Catholic for you.
There has been confession since the time of the Apostles, as stated in James 5. And, again, getting back to the main topic, that is how the Apostles forgave sins with the authority granted them in John 20.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 You're nitpicking again instead of addressing the original point. Also, I've confessed whispering in public before.
I don't know where you're getting the "mini-popes" thing. "Local overseer" - you mean like how a priest oversees a parish? Or is that too Catholic for you?
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 You're the one who got twisted up about the booth.
These verses go together: who forgives the sins, and how to attain that forgiveness. Elders are mentioned frequently throughout the NT, especially Acts, where in 14:23 they are appointed. They're not just old praying men.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 Why doesn't confession count if it's in a booth? Is that really the hill you're gonna die on?
Also, you're implying a contradiction between James 5 and John 20. There is none; they work together. The Apostles and their successors are the elders.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 God uses whatever means he wishes to forgive sins. Evidently, this includes the Apostles, as He plainly said, "If *you* forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven." It stands to reason that their successors could do the same. Also, read James 5.
@ChristySimm23@Emma506131772 "... If you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
That indicates it's the doing of the Apostles, not those to whom they preach.
@MarxoidNess@_Credible_Hulk@sigmahamster2 Typical communist, throwing out insults when you don't have a counter-argument. You've been doing this for over 100 years. Get a new schtick.