Lesedi

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@SupaVanSA Bantu-speaking peoples were in southern Africa long before 1652, alongside the much older Khoi and San populations. Building infrastructure doesn't confer greater indigeneity, and conquest doesn't establish ancestral priority. Claiming greater nativeness is not valid!

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@SupaVanSA Nobody disputes that white South Africans have roots here. But 372 years of residence doesn't automatically establish indigeneity over peoples whose ancestors inhabited this land long before European arrival.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@Cthulhucachoo Imagine building a world-class economy by empowering 100% of your population instead of deliberately suppressing 90% of it. South Africa's greatest tragedy wasn't a lack of potential, but a system that denied millions the opportunity to realise theirs.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@Cthulhucachoo Imagine the heights South Africa could have reached if the talents, intelligence and potential of its entire population had been invested in rather than deliberately suppressed along racial lines.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@Cthulhucachoo Both things can be true: apartheid SA had a relatively advanced industrial economy, yet lagged behind developed countries in many measures. Its failure was systematically excluding the Black majority from equal education, political rights & economic opportunity.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@bxxurscsQtCwBW8 @RobynPorteous Black South Africans faced pass laws, forced removals, inferior education and political exclusion. A race-blind meritocracy is a hypothetical, not what apartheid delivered. We can acknowledge SA's economic advantages without confusing them with racial justice.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@bxxurscsQtCwBW8 @RobynPorteous South Africa's industrialised economy did attract migrants from across Africa, but migration alone doesn't prove ordinary Black people enjoyed equality or that apartheid was beneficial. People migrate for jobs and economic opportunity, even under oppressive systems.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@whiteriot321 @RobynPorteous Mandela, Tambo and Biko were exceptional individuals, not proof of equal opportunity. Yes, ANC corruption and service delivery failures deserve condemnation. But today's failures don't retroactively justify apartheid. Both truths can coexist.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@whiteriot321 @RobynPorteous Nobody is arguing that apartheid SA had no infrastructure, hospitals, trains, universities or employed Black people. The question is who had access, on what terms, and with what rights. Black South Africans provided labour to build and used that economy while denied to vote.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@trekarbeider9 @RobynPorteous White taxpayers funding Black development doesn't erase a system that restricted Black rights, education and economic opportunity. Acknowledge the infrastructure; acknowledge who built it, who controlled it, and who benefited most.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@trekarbeider9 @RobynPorteous Public spending on Black communities wasn't charity; it was part of governing a country whose wealth Black labour helped create. Stop confusing economic development with racial justice.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@trekarbeider9 @RobynPorteous Population growth doesn't prove ppl were thriving. Black SAns were denied political rights, forcibly removed, and subjected to inferior education. In 1990, white per-capita income was 8.6 times higher than Black income.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@Maximilianbr9 @ngmi04 @RobynPorteous @grok If apartheid was so good for Black people, why was Black per-capita income in 1990 just R6,008, compared with R51,951 for whites? Why was education racially unequal? Infrastructure was real, but so was systematic exclusion of Black majority. You can’t use one to erase the other.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@ngmi04 @RobynPorteous @grok 1990, Black South African per-capita income was R6,008 vs R51,951 for whites. In 2023, Black African-headed households earned R143,632/year vs R676,375 for white-headed households—a 4.7× gap. The figures measure different things, but reveal how deep economic inequality persists.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@ngmi04 @RobynPorteous @grok In the 1980s, Black SA adult literacy was ~67%; today, 83.8% of Black adults are functionally literate. In 1990, Black per-capita income was R6,008 vs R51,951 for whites. Today, 94.7% of households have electricity, up from 58.1% in 1996. Progress is real, but inequality persist.

[Robyn Porteous @RobynPorteous]

It was never “functioning” if it only worked for and served a small minority of the population.

[DonMimz @DonMimz]

Black economic freedom means whites economic power collapse.

Do u understand the scale of this economic war?

That is why they thrive in our division and they will sponsor it.

There was a few who tried to make us see this and start building businesses but they were ousted by our own people still.

We need a radical reset.

I look at burkino Faso and think, if south Africa doesn't take this route, we are going to be the most ungovernable country and the whites will wall themselves in Cape Town armed with nuclear weapons just keeping us away to eat each other alive.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@scott_dlamuka @DonMimz I’m not saying foreign Spazas must stay but why are we not pushing each other to build our own retail & industry. The fight is Economic- we are always workers and Consumers. Vuka Darkie!! KFC, McDonalds, Chicken Licken are foreign businesses that profit on BLK masses.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@scott_dlamuka @DonMimz So you’re not even fighting for us to start our own businesses instead? You’re fighting for us to continue being employed by our former oppressors & paid peanuts while maintaining their wealth? Where is the liberation? Real wealth & freedom lies in owning means of production.

[Lesedi @Lesedi4pjs]

@DonMimz @scott_dlamuka And when we had those spaza shops we didn’t want to support each other because “ I’m going to make that family rich so I would rather by elsewhere” Ke tlo ba humisha. We need to free ourselves from our enslaved mindsets.