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[Mukhtar @I_amMukhtar]

The rioters set an Irish man's house on fire.

"I told them before they lit the fire. This is my house here. I'm sure they didn't care anyway. I thought I was one of their own... I understand that they're all angry, but I've just lost a home."

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@Moses_Marius @KingdomofCali @SaintScourge @beet_kon Maybe you have an issue with the English Language and meanings of the words, please take it up with the Oxford Union.

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Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Double Down News @DoubleDownNews]

"It brings me no pleasure to compare what Israel is doing to what the Nazis did, but how can we not? When you have things like ghettos, starvation, concentration camps and planned systematic extermination of people"

Jewish journalist @kthalps

CC: LBC @lewis_goodall @hasanthehun

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Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

[Locked @Lockedck]

Thank you for admitting Jesus does not say: “I am God” or “worship me as God.” That was the actual challenge.

As for “Son of God,” Muslims do not affirm your theological meaning of that phrase. The Qur’an affirms Jesus ﷺ as Messiah, Messenger, Word from Allah, and Spirit from Him, but it explicitly rejects literal/divine sonship:

“The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah…” — Qur’an 4:171
“It is not befitting for Allah to take a son.” — Qur’an 19:35
“He neither begets nor is born.” — Qur’an 112:3

Even in the Bible, “son of God” does not automatically mean “God.” Israel is called God’s son, Davidic kings are called God’s son, Adam is called son of God, and believers are called children of God.

So if John’s Gospel reports Jesus saying “Son of God,” that still does not equal:

“I am Almighty God.”

It means you have to import later Trinitarian theology into the phrase.

So the point remains:

Jesus saying “Son of God” is not the same as Jesus saying “I am God, worship me.”

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You’re assuming the Trinity first, then reading it back into John 17.

John 17 actually says the opposite of your claim. Jesus prays to the Father, then says:

“that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” — John 17:3

So Jesus distinguishes between:

1. “You” — the only true God
2. “Jesus Christ” — the one sent by Him

That is not Jesus saying, “I am the only true God.”

Also, “Father” language does not automatically mean a literal divine begetting. In the Bible, God is called Father in relation to Israel and believers too. “Son of God” also does not automatically mean “God the Son.” That is later theology being imported into the text.

And “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic-speaking Christians also use “Allah” for God. So saying “not your Allah” is just wordplay, not an argument.

John 17 still leaves the same challenge unanswered:

Where did Jesus himself clearly say: “I am God” or “worship me as God”?

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Isaiah 48:16 does not “declare the Trinity.” It says someone is sent by the Lord GOD and His Spirit. Being sent by God is not the same as being God. Prophets are sent by God too.

John 8:58 says “before Abraham was, I am.” Even if you take that as pre-existence, it still is not the sentence: “I am God.” The phrase “I am” is also used by others in John, for example the healed blind man in John 9:9.

And the Jews reacting angrily is not proof. In John, people misunderstand Jesus many times. Their accusation is not automatically Jesus’ doctrine.

Look at John 10:33–36. They accuse him of “making yourself God,” but Jesus replies by quoting Psalm 82, where others are called “gods,” then he says:

“I am the Son of God.”

He does not respond by saying: “Yes, I am Almighty God.”

Also Jesus repeatedly says his authority is given:

“The Son can do nothing of himself.” — John 5:19
“By myself I can do nothing.” — John 5:30
“All authority has been given to me.” — Matthew 28:18
“You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” — John 17:3

Given authority is not self-existent deity.

So again, the challenge remains simple:

Where did Jesus himself clearly say: “I am God” or “worship me as God”?

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You’re assuming the Trinity first, then reading it back into John 17.

John 17 actually says the opposite of your claim. Jesus prays to the Father, then says:

“that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” — John 17:3

So Jesus distinguishes between:

1. “You” — the only true God
2. “Jesus Christ” — the one sent by Him

That is not Jesus saying, “I am the only true God.”

Also, “Father” language does not automatically mean a literal divine begetting. In the Bible, God is called Father in relation to Israel and believers too. “Son of God” also does not automatically mean “God the Son.” That is later theology being imported into the text.

And “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic-speaking Christians also use “Allah” for God. So saying “not your Allah” is just wordplay, not an argument.

John 17 still leaves the same challenge unanswered:

Where did Jesus himself clearly say: “I am God” or “worship me as God”?

[Locked @Lockedck]

You’re assuming the Trinity first, then reading it back into John 17.

John 17 actually says the opposite of your claim. Jesus prays to the Father, then says:

“that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” — John 17:3

So Jesus distinguishes between:

1. “You” — the only true God
2. “Jesus Christ” — the one sent by Him

That is not Jesus saying, “I am the only true God.”

Also, “Father” language does not automatically mean a literal divine begetting. In the Bible, God is called Father in relation to Israel and believers too. “Son of God” also does not automatically mean “God the Son.” That is later theology being imported into the text.

And “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic-speaking Christians also use “Allah” for God. So saying “not your Allah” is just wordplay, not an argument.

John 17 still leaves the same challenge unanswered:

Where did Jesus himself clearly say: “I am God” or “worship me as God”?

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@Moses_Marius @SaintScourge @beet_kon Stop beating round the bushes and bring the evidence and answer the question.

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You’re assuming the Trinity first, then reading it back into John 17.

John 17 actually says the opposite of your claim. Jesus prays to the Father, then says:

“that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” — John 17:3

So Jesus distinguishes between:

1. “You” — the only true God
2. “Jesus Christ” — the one sent by Him

That is not Jesus saying, “I am the only true God.”

Also, “Father” language does not automatically mean a literal divine begetting. In the Bible, God is called Father in relation to Israel and believers too. “Son of God” also does not automatically mean “God the Son.” That is later theology being imported into the text.

And “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for God. Arabic-speaking Christians also use “Allah” for God. So saying “not your Allah” is just wordplay, not an argument.

John 17 still leaves the same challenge unanswered:

Where did Jesus himself clearly say: “I am God” or “worship me as God”?

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@Moses_Marius @SaintScourge @beet_kon Answer the original question!