@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 I don't really debate, but I don't think they'd do any better because the problem isn't that I'm particularly persuasive but that the verses have clear meanings.
@Pecos_Lilly@EmagnetTim Nope. That is the context of the post you replied to. Also...you used pedantic wrong. What I said wasn't pedantic, it was stating the objective reality that you're now trying to change. Now if you want to claim something else then that's fine but you'll need to clarify your post.
@Lockedck@Moses_Marius@beet_kon It's literally God sending God along with the Spirit of God. You can't possibly be that stupid to think that isn't the Trinity.
@Pecos_Lilly@EmagnetTim You actually did. I said Satan doesn't punish anyone. You responded with "Have you not read the book of Job?" Now if you meant to address someone else that's fine, but you responded to my post...so your response carries that context.
@Moses_Marius@Lockedck@beet_kon I affirm he declared himself to be God (the son) part of the Trinity that is declared in Isaiah 48:16. That he claims authority and power only possessed by God and that he says unequivocally that he is God. The I AM is a declaration...why do you think the Jews responded like that
@Lockedck@beet_kon Jesus literally commands Lazarus to come out on his own authority. That's game. You lose. Not only that but he takes time out to highlight his relationship with God, but then commands Lazarus out on his own authority. You're cooked...only God can do that.
@Pecos_Lilly@EmagnetTim That's not punishment. That was a test of integrity. It opens with Job being described as blameless and upright. God allows his accuser to test Job, but that's not punishment, and even then he had to get God's approval to test Job.
@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 So before that he tells Martha "Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?" And the glory of God is...Jesus (Hebrews 1:3 / John 1:14 / and 2 Corinthians 4:6) So he is telling Martha that he (Jesus) is about to do something...not the Father.
@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 โFather, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.โ - There is no request there. It is him highlighting his perfect unity with God. (Cont)
@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 Oh you mean where he highlights his perfect unity with the Father? Yeah that has nothing to do with it but if you want me to explain that I can...it really doesn't do you any favors, but okay...give me a second.
@freeinthetruth@jaredadairbell If he read Irenaeus he'd have to deal with Irenaeus calling his beliefs heretical, but Origin taught about the pre-existence of souls, Ignatius to justify the church's loss of authority, and Hippolytus for the corruption by philosophy. So he'd probably read them for that.
@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 is not a verb. It's a demonstrative adverb of place meaning "here" or "hither". So when you use it as an imperative command it functions as an urgent exclamation. It's not a verbal request, the authority is implicit. The language of a king demanding someone's presence.
@metzizehbpeh@GenAgrivator@LibanG987 Because it says he did it... and not that he asked God to do it. Lazarus COME OUT is not directed at God. It's directed at Lazarus. There is no Thus says the Lord or anything like that. It's a direct command. It's even more obvious int he original language. Deuro (cont)
@Lockedck@beet_kon So which version of the Quran are you reading? Which of the 10 different versions of the Quran are you reading. As for Jesus. He claims the title "I Am" which is only for God. He has authority to do things that only God has the authority to do. He accepts worship multiple times.