@OpenUpToLoveN@SalobreMon47 lol, no she quite literally tried to take them prisoner, by tricking them into a comfortable trip too. And guess what. Zuko torching a village. Kills a lot of people without the Avatar using a sea monster to put it all out.
@RachelMich44604@SalobreMon47 Not the point. Its not that the story requires them to redeem her. Its Iroh's flaw to tag her as iredeemable. If we are going to believe in second chances for everyone.
@jdrider02 You can rationalize it. But its obvious he had a bias. Which is entitled to as a flawed person. But its a valid point of critique because of how he says it.
@RachelMich44604@SalobreMon47 Yeah she had gone completely cucco by the agni kai. That is kind of the point of a foil. She got more and more insane. The air temple is episode 16 of the season 3. When he had joined the avatar... A point of absolute betrayal for a fire nation zealot.
@Fournie29292672@SalobreMon47 Except the times he did. Azula is always acting like all she does is done on purpose and with confidence. She was raised to be like that. Zuko also enjoyed scaring people just like he tried to make his captain scare. He just sucked at it.
@jdrider02 You got that entire aspect wrong. Iroh was the favorite. Iroh was going to be Firelord. Iroh was so much above Ozai to their father. He was going to have Ozai kill his child for the insult to Iroh. Iroh is the one that was a condecorated military leader. And the Dragon ofthe West
@jdrider02 Yeah man, he is a flawed human being. That doesnt alter the point that he can be critiqued for his interaction and opinions on literal children. Iroh said himself to have been very much like Ozai until his son dies....
@DeusWombat@SalobreMon47 Yeah, you making an uninformed opinion. Doesnt make it true. He didnt want a redemption all iof first season, after being with Iroh for a while. he wanted to regain his honor. He had biases. Yeah, so does Azula. They are indoctinated Fire Nation royals.
@DaCheesyAlfredo@Fournie29292672@SalobreMon47 Oh no, a child has resenment. Zuko resented even Iroh before he had an entire ephifany. She is crazy and needs to go down... is what Iroh thinks. The story having no space to redeem her. And her being put in a box that said crazy and iredeemable by Iroh arent the same thing.
@BinaryTimeLord@SalobreMon47 No, they arent. If you cant be convinced with word. There is no point talking to you. You are a crazy person, and need to go down.
@BinaryTimeLord@SalobreMon47 Zuko didnt wanted help. He literally had to be broken down, almost died a few times. And then still had to changed again. "We dont have time to convince Azula", and "No she’s crazy and needs to go down”. Arent the same statement.
@DaCheesyAlfredo@Fournie29292672@SalobreMon47 Oh you mean, he shifted after being put into a very specific path that was forced by becoming a fugitive. Yeah, that is his redemption arc. Azula didnt get one of those. But Im not even saying she needed one. Imsaying their starting points are near identical, and Iroh judgemental
@DeusWombat@SalobreMon47 Zuko didnt want redemption for most of the series. He wanted his honor back from the group that wants everyone to be like Azula. He shifted to redemption. That is not the same thing.
@jdrider02 Yeah, Iroh being critiqued for having a bad relationship with Azula and being really judgemental of an indoctrinated teenager. Just like Zuko. Is the retrospective Im literally pointing out. Iroh didnt give a benefit of the doubt. He did what he did most of the time. Follow Zuko.
@fabson81354@SalobreMon47 Wow, list fo random shit. Mini Ozai as in indoctrinated? A prodigy... WOW she was indoctrinated because she is a prodigy. Good job... Zuko, was arrogant, proud and spoiled too. Just less so because he wasnt seen as perfect. Still coddled. Zuko, tosses a rock at ducks. Kind to who
@DeusWombat@SalobreMon47 Not true at all. Azula wanted people to care about her and not as a second fiddle or because she is perfect. Its why her friends choosing Zuko and Mai over her respectively. And then her father setting her aside broke her. She was indoctrinated into control. but thats it at all.