@HumiliateP75865 In Revelation, John is an old man on Patmos who has outlived the rest of the 12. Thus, that John 21 passage likely nods to the fact that (while he would die), the Lord had a specific job for him in writing Revelation.
Nothing like that is said about the other 12.
Well now I know we're not having a serious discussion because the author of the Gospel of John quite literally calls himself "the disciple whom Jesus loved."
We know this because John 21:24 reveals that the author is "this disciple."
@MJPETTY7 The idea that the beloved disciple who wrote the gospel of John and John son of Zebedee are the same person is based on an extra biblical tradition that I’m not willing to take at face value. So it is still not relevant.
@HumiliateP75865 John names Peter, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew/Nathaniel, Judas/Thaddeus, Judas Iscariot, which leaves only five other possibilities, none of whom seem likely.
However, John 21:22 asserts that this beloved disciple is likely the John who wrote Revelation.
@HumiliateP75865 Matthew 4:21 — John is called by Christ as one of the 12.
Matthew 26:20 and Luke 22:13-14 — the 12, the apostles, who reclined with Christ at the Last Supper.
John 13 — the Last Supper (v. 23 notes the "disciple whom Jesus loved")
John 21:24 identifies him as the author.
(To be fair, I don't know if the OP here is actually Mormon, that was an assumption on my part, but the "did Paul believe the Trinity was biblical" debate sprung from another tweet about LDS specifically.)
The most ironic part of all of this is that we apparently can't trust "extra biblical tradition" that confirms what scripture already tells us about the Apostle John, but we should trust "extra biblical tradition" from the LDS church, from which this discussion initially sprung.
@HumiliateP75865 Also, the John statement is not irrelevant. We may be talking about Paul specifically, but even he notes that he met with Peter, James, and John in Galatians 2, with them all being of the same mind toward the gospel (but with different emphasis).
The early Church was consistent.
Believing the Trinity IS required for Christianity because the Triune Christian God is One. Paul undoubtedly affirms this throughout his epistles.
Romans 3:30
1 Corinthians 8:6
2 Corinthians 3:17; 13:14
Galatians 3:20; 4:4-6
1 Timothy 1:17
@HumiliateP75865 Yes, I understand this, but that's not my point. Paul makes the case that we have both one Lord and one God. But is God not Lord of all?
Paul, a "Pharisee of Pharisees" would have known this. He would have been intimately familiar with the statement found in Deuteronomy 10:17.
@HumiliateP75865 I disagree, and so does Paul when you factor in Romans 10:9-13. In more than one epistle, he notes that Christians have "one" Lord and "one" God. That would be impossible if Christ were not God since the O.T. describes God the Father also as "Lord."
Beyond Paul: John 1 is clear.
Actually, Protestants believe we're saved from:
The penalty of sin (Romans 5:9, 6:23)
The power of sin (Romans 6:14, Matthew 1:21)
The powers of darkness (Colossians 1:13)
The fear of death (Hebrews 2:15)
And that Jesus came to destroy the works of the Devil (1 John 3:7–8).
Because it puts Christ and Satan on an equal playing field, which is profoundly untrue.
More than that, it implies that Jesus was created. This runs in direct contrast to what John 1 teaches, which is that He is the Creator.
It's nonsensical and inconsistent with Christianity.
Why do our critics get so hung up on Jesus and Lucifer being brothers? It’s like they think this is a common topic of discussion in our Sunday meetings.
“We ask for these things in the name of thy Son, and Satan’s Brother, Jesus Christ, Amen”
Then the whole congregation cheers.
Mormons are flooding X with pictures of "Jesus" and saying, "We believe in Jesus," and "The name JESUS CHRIST is in our Church! We're Christians." But their guy, also named Jesus, came to America and started Christianity here after the resurrection among Jews who sailed to America on boats in 600 BC. - Since that never happened, Mormon Jesus is a different Jesus.
Over a decade ago, the "I'm a Mormon" campaign was in full swing. It's only been in the last few years or so that there's been a concerted effort to push the "we're Christian too" and "call us LDS" lines.
(I still call them Mormons.)
The strangest thing about this insistence by LDS to be considered Christian is new. Originally under Smith and Brigham Young Mormons did not wanted to be associated with us. I don’t know when the switch occurred, but it is a little silly.
"If creatives are unable to tell stories that appeal to the pre-existing audience (you know, those already committed to tuning in), then who are they telling them for?"
I'd say that I couldn't've said it better, but those are literally my words. https://t.co/FJtEAYzw8B #stargate
Amazon is making a huge mistake. The "Stargate" shows are some of streaming's most-watched shows, whether on Prime Video, Netflix, or free-to-stream platforms.
It's clear that new audiences are already discovering the franchise.
Stargate SG-1 actor Michael Shanks notes the negative fan reaction to Amazon canceling the new Stargate show for being too much like Stargate:
"Fans be spittin’ truths today. And I’m here for it…"
Is Amazon making a huge mistake?
Hey @AmazonMGMStudio, we've waited nearly two decades for a definite close to the "Stargate" franchise. If this reboot had the potential to do that, all while pulling in new audiences to this memorable sci-fi saga, then you'd be foolish not to give it another chance.
I’m gonna simply say this: if you are at all interested in a Stargate show with ANY of the original creators/performers involved, now is the time to say something. Otherwise it really will be the end of that chapter forever. Let them know you are THERE
@PrimeVideo (and all the streaming world) has mishandled so many properties at this point... But the one time a series is developed by those who genuinely know it best and who wanted to honor the material, they get cancelled? That's a tragedy.
#StargateForever
"They canceled it because it would appeal to Stargate fans" AND THAT WASN'T ENOUGH.
The Stargate cancelation is a full mask off moment for modern TV, and this is why everyone should care.
It's indicative of why all of our series keep getting screwed up.