Stupid people thinking spammers "running out of money" means spam on bitcoin can never be a long term problem don't understand what Fiat Money is and the true nature of the problem Bitcoin solves.
In the Fiat Money system, the supply of money is INFINITE. That means that any attacker can be supplied with an infinite amount of money long before the effects of that money in the economy cause hyperinflation.
Spammers with their infantile "Use Cases" will continue to come in waves as gullible nincompoops fund them with millions of VC dollars; you will never be rid of stupid people, bitcoin Patrician, so this problem wiil never end barring a technical solution.
There is more than enough money to permanently cripple bitcoin long before a hyperinflation event would be triggered by weaponizing the money supply against bitcoin.
Bitcoin being exposed to an attack like this CANNOT SURVIVE without a technical measure to make spam impossible.
The problem here is the complete mind blind incapability of these broken people to understand the true scope and nature of the Fiat Money problem. They're thinking in a manner that assumes the fiat money supply is finite or in some way limited.
They are not smart. AT ALL.
And finally...the fact that the money supply is infinite was the reason bitcoin was written in the first place. The Spam / Ordinals problem and the fiat money problem are two aspects of the same problem!
@jratcliff@lopp The shitstorm in the general "normie" public when the first truly awful content appears in an OP_RETURN, easily spun into sanctioned, welcome, data storage in Bitcoin by the media, will be catastrophic.
@BradSte16282579@benjamincowen Because the moon spins exactly once per month, i.e. rotation around earth. Meaning viewed from earth it always shows the same side. Reason are tidal forces between earth and moon over millions of years.
By repeatedly adjusting default mempool policy to match what miners will accept anyway (large OP_RETURN uncapped because “they’ll just mine it via bypasses like Libre Relay, or direct APIs”), we are implicitly conceding that miner greed + economic incentives are the ultimate rule-setter, not node-enforced principles.
Meaning a (cleverly hidden) capitulation of Bitcoin as a decentralized project.
You could say that the “CENSORSHIP!” argument from Core and their supporters on the concept of nodes filtering is a roundabout way of critizing decentralization itself.
Nodes were always supposed to be the sovereign check, they decide what they accapt and relay.
When we keep loosening policy to align with whatever is the current grift “use case”, and by extension what is short term profitable for miners, it trains the entire ecosystem to treat restrictive node behavior as pointless theater.
Over time this hollows out node sovereignty: running a full node becomes more about passively observing the chain that miners + L2s + data-spammers have already decided on, rather than actively enforcing a monetary-first standard.
As a cuck bonus it also leads to higher resource costs for every honest node (bandwidth, RAM, storage) à fewer independent verifiers in practice
Decentralization starts looking like a performance act. Miners produce the blocks, a handful of relays and L2 sequencers steer the flow, and nodes just… validate after the fact.
It’s not a hard-fork capitulation (consensus rules haven’t changed), but it is a cultural, philosophical and operational one. The most profound capitulation in practice.
The philosophy flips from “Bitcoin should resist non-monetary garbage even if it costs us some short-term fee revenue” to “whatever pays miners gets standardized because resistance is futile.”
Once you accept “miners will do it anyway” as the justification for policy, you’ve already handed the character of Bitcoin over to the highest bidder. Nodes stop being the immune system and start becoming just a polite audience.
The OP_RETURN uncap looks a lot like another quiet step toward a two-tier network (miners + insiders set the tone, everyone else just watches. Keep doing this and running a node risks becoming a branding exercise instead of the actual source and guarantee of Bitcoin’s decentralization.
@Arthur_van_Pelt@adam3us Adam is simply incapable of understanding the motivations of the spammers to not use more efficient data storage media than steganography on bitcoin. He somehow doesn't get the psyche behind the value proposition of this for certain people.
@CaminaDrummer4@hodlonaut The intent is laudable but completely fails to comprehend the psychology of the spammers who would never use a prunable method to spam. Adam remarkably is uncapable of grasping this as well.
Here is what Satoshi had to say about other use cases outside of money:
"Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately. Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other. BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
The networks need to have separate fates. BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."