@JordanMHatfield@BeanofChrist@WellRedneck Also, it’s not a reference to outside of time. Scripture is not a handbook on God’s relationship with time. John Calvin was even quite agnostic whether God is truly atemporal or not, but the later reformed took over the philosophical notions of platonic and aristotelian thought
@JordanMHatfield @Sketo80 @BeanofChrist@WellRedneck #2 for what was there “before the foundation of the world”? Exactly… nothing except God! So to say election is conditioned upon anything in the world or in the creature is to reverse Paul’s entire point
@JordanMHatfield @Sketo80 @BeanofChrist@WellRedneck #1 It’s not that we are chosen coz God made us “better”. It’s: we are “better” because we are chosen. It wouldn’t make sense for Paul to say election was before the foundation of the world if election was based upon something that happens in the world
@JordanMHatfield@BeanofChrist@WellRedneck He references “before the foundation of the world” to emphasize that it is unconditional. The choice is not based upon anything that comes from us. He does the same in Romans 9 “before the children were born and did anything good or bad”
@ef_hopkins @Innocent_Psmith @DPGBehler How is that even a contradiction? If God sees you fit for punishment then you are. Guilt is a concept, not a mechanic.
@chris_jolliff @Soteriology101 I’ve already heard the same argument from Mike Winger and yoi clearly mention Luke 14 in this tweet. Luke 14 has nothing to do with Romans 9
@Soteriology101@HwsEleutheroi@BethanyMcGrew@DrDavidLAllen Leighton, you don’t make a critical audience see anything. Your exegesis is often sheer nonsense. You are lucky that the only Calvinist that is really engaging with you is James White, who is himself a confusing man.
@Bible_Times_DC @AjwillTW You should really repent of your stupid OSAS and free grace/antinomianism. You can’t read the New Testament and get away with your “free grace” nonsense
@Trent_Horn Hebrews 6 says that apostates can’t turn back to repentance. It’s absolutely clear in the text. Just because it might be considered “harsh” doesn’t make it untrue. Now of course James is also wrong; cause a regenerated person, if perseverance is not given, can fall away
@The_Idol_Killer@DBViking108 Free speech is a secular idea, not a Christian idea. Also nothing necessarily wrong with heresy laws. Clearly a modernist talking here
@DPGBehler I thought it was Paul who wondered who has known the mind of the Lord? A rhetorical question.. Of course we can’t understand the mind of God. He is not an all powerful human in the sky
@AjwillTW @Bible_Times_DC Why are you siding with an “independent baptist” who believes in OSAS and Free Grace (antinomianism) and is a King James only-ist probably? I wonder if he cares about the Trinity, most of those types typically don’t guve the Trinity much attention