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@curt_kocaine @novvokaine @messedupfoods Something with the sole purpose of entertainment can still be enjoyed, and can still enjoy itself, without the added requirement of meeting the expectations forced upon it. While true purposes add to the bigger picture, smaller purposes are still valid as sole purposes.

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@novvokaine @messedupfoods Then the left one is nothing more than a tool, a mass produced one, nonetheless. The one on the right can be enjoyed as a work of art, liberated from needing a true purpose.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa This doesn't refute what I said. Again, you can be nuanced about other things. Just because people think that all pedophiles need to die, doesn't mean they also think everyone who has done something wrong needs to die, for example. I'm sure most people have a no-nuance take.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa This is why nuance can be scary to people. People make these kinds of stretches every day, and it's because of nuance. People can see something be used in a negative way and end up associating that concept with negativity.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa I feel like you misunderstood what I am saying. If there was a version of a predator who wasn't a predator and didn't have any mental disorders, they wouldn't choose to have a version of themself that is a pedophilic offender. Because of this, you could just blame it on chance.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa You can argue that predators are further victims of psychology than people who want help and acknowledge their problem (if you use overthink it using nuance, of course.)

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa (First half of the reply is deleted so I'm going to restate it here.)

Pedophilic disorder is specifically diagnosed when they act on their desires, or when their life is actually impacted by it. Simply having a paraphilia towards children is not included in this disorder. Thus-

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa the people who just recognize that their atypical attraction is abnormal, which is why it can be seen by people as dangerous to feel sympathy, even if it isn't the fault of the pedophile that they have such a condition.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa However, pedophilic disorder refers to when an individual acts on their urges, or when their life is hindered by their condition. People who just experience attraction to minors usually just experience a paraphilia. Thus, you could say that the predators are further victims than-

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa And while I'm well aware that arguing in defense of Hitler and arguing in defense of someone with pedophilic disorder are very different, for people with little nuance, it can be hard to tell when nuance is helpful or harmful. Overnuance can, in theory, be as harmful as nuance.

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@OCLizzyLala @kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa It's reasonable to be afraid of nuance regarding harmful things such as pedophilia. Using nuance, you could argue that if Hitler was just an ordinary person, he wouldn't choose to have a version of him that is evil, and thus, it isn't exactly his fault.

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@kitflexer0 @iheartruikasa Ironically, this statement is one of little nuance. You can be nuanced about most things, while having some things that you think are concrete and nearly objective. Pedophilia is a very serious issue, and making exceptions can be very dangerous if done wrong.

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@maria_eh89421 @iheartruikasa I know this isn't what you meant, but surely you can realize how this sounds like you're saying only a normal, mentally stable person would want to fuck a kid, right? It only makes sense that you're mentally unwell if you have sexual desires towards children.

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ If Zeal acknowledges Ren's identity, then it would have been considered gay at the time, though then again that's more debatable and maybe you could change my mind on that

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ Now, you can argue that Zerum is homophobic and I'm gonna be a lot more onboard.

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ No, I really think that's just boundaries of not wanting your characters shipped. You're ignoring the fact that Ren was (or maybe still is, I don't really know) genderfluid, and Zeal was still fine with that, even correcting himself. Cyborg called it gay and he didn't care.

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ Then I guess we can come to a conclusion? Look man, main reason I came into this so provocative is because denying suicide is literally what you did, regardless of if you've went through being suicidal or not, and that's just evil even if it's not irredeemable or anything.

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ 3. You keep talking about him resorting to suicide... If it's really that easy, why did Ren try to commit (because apparently your double standards won't allow you to believe she could suicide bait)? False accusations are very psychologically harmful, we know this dude

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ 1. I've never denied him being racist. He is not homophobic, but him associating with Zerum is clearly problematic. Most people on Zeal's side acknowledge he's a bad person.

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@Ryothesillyx3 @forg3dz @LeonMeguru @aielg_ 2. Zeal did stop when asked (to be fair, some Ren supporters will deny even Ren's account of this since it doesn't quite add-up and would imply he didn't have malicious intent.)