@LadyDemosthenes@YankeeKiller04 Babylon had divine triads long before the church councils. A group of three divine beings is not the same as the Trinity, but it does show that three-in-one style concepts did not originate with the apostles. Trinity is a lie!
@QSF_Tertullian@LadyDemosthenes@Harriso35208853 Interesting. You quoted two verses and skipped the part where Jesus says the Father is the only true God (John 17:3) and calls the Father my God (John 20:17). Selective quoting is not exegesis.
@QSF_Tertullian@LadyDemosthenes@Harriso35208853 I have no problem affirming the Apostles Creed. My disagreement begins when later theology adds one essence, three persons, coequal, and coeternal—phrases the creed itself never states.
@QSF_Tertullian@LadyDemosthenes@Harriso35208853 The deity of Christ is one debate. The creed is another. Showing verses about Christ does not automatically prove every later theological formulation. The apostles wrote Scripture. The creed is a summary written centuries later.
@LadyDemosthenes@Harriso35208853 Show me the verse that says God is one essence existing as three distinct persons. Not the verse you think implies it. The verse that actually says it. That is what is missing.
@LadyDemosthenes@Harriso35208853 I disagree with elevating a post-biblical creed to the level of biblical doctrine. If a teaching is essential, it should be stated plainly in Scripture, not reconstructed centuries later through theological formulas.
@AleMartnezR1 Basic 101:
John’s Logos echoes the Hebrew/Aramaic idea of Memra “Word” God’s self-expression, not a second God beside Him. God speaks, acts, creates.
Bam! Before Greek philosophy, Jews already spoke of God’s Memra “Word” His power, will, and revelation in action. John 1 fits that Jewish idea, not a co-equal second God.
@diego_claramunt@TrishSumner1@Oluwadaniel_0@voosiki You have turned your argument into a hostage situation: agree with me or you deny Scripture; disagree and you deny logic. That is not debate. That is what happens when someone mistakes his interpretation for divine revelation.
@diego_claramunt You keep calling it truth, but merely repeating a claim does not transform it into one. If it did, toddlers would win every argument by lunchtime.
Full Stop!
I read the NT backwards.
Revelation: My God.
Hebrews: The Son has a God.
Paul: One God, the Father.
Acts: God made Jesus Lord.
Jesus: The Father is the only true God.
The Trinity didn’t emerge. It disappeared.
@diego_claramunt My apologies. I was listening at first, but after hearing the same argument repeated a thousand times, my brain switched to power-saving mode.
Hebrews 5:7 — Jesus offered up prayers and supplications to the One able to save him from death. The Son is depicted praying to and depending upon God.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 says the Son will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. Paul still distinguishes God from the Son even in the consummation.