@AGiurispru80537@theoscholastica That's not a theological denial but it's a practical permission to do exactly what HV prohibits. Never condemned by Rome. Still the formal guidance of the Canadian conference.
@AGiurispru80537@theoscholastica The Winnipeg Statement (1968), paragraph 26, explicitly states that Catholics who have formed their conscience through prayer and reflection and cannot accept Humanae Vitae's conclusions may follow their conscience without moral guilt...
@AGiurispru80537@theoscholastica if a national bishops' conference issues formal pastoral guidance qualifying a non-infallible encyclical, and Rome doesn't condemn it, on what theological basis exactly is that guidance "irrelevant"? Or to be disregarded.
@AGiurispru80537@theoscholastica Shouldn't a Canadian Catholic need to submit to the current teaching of their bishops' conference over an obscure encyclical? Especially since it's clearly articulated in The Winnipeg Statement of 1968? A document never condemned by the Vatican, yada yada.
@AGiurispru80537@theoscholastica Sometimes I like to cite it just to see what happens.. "Are all methods of regulating birth of equal value to the Christian conscience? The council gave no answer to this question."
This is no way to grace farm. Three tents full of priests celebrating "individually," praying Mass literally right next to each other... Should be taking turns as sole celebrant while the others attend. That's how you grace max.
Bring up Origen or any Church Father outside Augustine to a certain kind of Latin rite Catholic and watch them turn into some sort of confused Voldemort: "Old magicโฆ something I should have foreseen."
@retardedsinner@gonefishin1948 It's nearly impossible to argue that the second and third conditions are usually present unless one contradicts the teachings of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, or employs an Orwellian revision of definitions.
Harder to say whether or not they ever are.
@henryjkwallis@agostino_harry@MadocCairns This is true of course. It makes me wonder whether evangelical movements or mainstream American Christianity across denominational lines is Christianity at all. A sociologist would say it is, but I don't know how relevant that is spiritually/theologically.