@vitaaeris —You know this is the criticism of the story, which means that criticism of that decision right? The fact that the story thinks that it is a decision that can be shown willy nilly, without basis of love and not just gratefullnedd, is the flaw.
@vitaaeris Oh yes, the girl that analyze social constructs until it lose all of its perceived meaning somehow “believe” in it. Can u even differentiate between following and believing? Those dissonance that are literally used by the story to criticize the period and the power structure.—
@vitaaeris the signifier of love in a story not love? And for that, just show chemistry beyond “they look cute with eachother”. Show that she want him and not just “oh he is nice, he helped, i should like him”.
@vitaaeris You mean the same Maomao that doesn’t believe in social construct, one of which includes the notion of forced purity? What you mean “those people”?
Secondly, what the hell is that question? Love is undefinable, you can only know what’s not, never what it is. What I was asking is—
@vitaaeris The first part is just saying what I already said. He is a good person and that his affection helps her. None of it show why she should love specifically him
The second part of your comment is just bad faith. How did u read “don’t have to love him” and conclude “not allowed” 😂
@vitaaeris You are literally proving me right though? The relationship between Jinshi and Maomao, even through your words, are showing that it is beneficial not love. Just because it helped Maomao developed and know she deserve love doesn’t mean she have to specifically love him.
@DeadLandsLilac The comment literally can only exist if I already read the LN. Both the manga and the anime haven’t seen Maomao give Jinshi any attention.
@thehorsecharles Lowkey the fact the romance element in Apothecary Diaries even exist is the worst part about it. It feels like Maomao is being narratively forced into a relationship as a way to recognize Jinshi’s effort and not because of love. I wish they tackle this later on.
The fact the people are talking about how characters in Utena are both victims and perpetrators really show how it is one of the few show that truly focus on the systemic problems that are bigger than any individuals.
@thehorsecharles The fact that the characters see growing up as a state instead of a never-ending process is part of Akio’s illusion. It perpetuates the idea that there is a point you don’t have to look back on what created the you of today.
@Gusstelier We can interpret the story as a can’t-be-yuri yuri as parallel to how Japan still haven’t legalize same sex marriage. It fits the ending where Utena didn’t really destroy the patriachy, she is only the first step of many to come.
@gaokri@Gusstelier I disagree. Utena very consciously criticize Class-S as a “while a step in the right direction, still trapped in the system” kind of thing. It might not be yuri, but it is definitely not part of the class-s genre.
@dollshojo Love them, they perfectly encapsulates how men are taught to own women while women are taught to be owned. Meanwhile none of that actually give them what they actually want.
@thehorsecharles Word count limit so here is a screenshot. I think even if Anthy know she is the rose bride and abide by the role, the deep want for freedom (and thus power in context of the patriarchal system) is still there.
Utena movie rerun is like a great reset. People just collectively forgot the ultimate woke media™️ is from Japan, 30 years ago every decade and there must be a rerun to remind them.
@thehorsecharles I would argue here Anthy feel she has power over Mikage since she is playing as a man and a direct underling of Akio. It’s more women is under men so she have to play the role. But in the end it reinforces the system because by giving her power, Akio ensure she never fight back.
@thehorsecharles Meanwhile, the bouquet has sex in the middle. It shows Mikage want the boy, but the bouquet is not for him. Anthy isn’t envious of Mikage either. It’s like Nanami’s situation again, where the female betray their gender and want it or not, gain temporary privileges of men.
@thehorsecharles My interpretation is that while Mikage is being used by another male (“lesser” man being viewed as woman because of toxic masculinity is a common thing in Utena), his privillaged position as a male make him unable to understand that, thus the lack of a gaze back at the viewer.