Tabari’s Tarikh explicitly shows that after Uthman’s death, rebels failed with Sa’d & Ibn Umar, then pressed ‘Ali. The very first to give bay'ah was rebel leader al-Ashtar al-Nakha'i—proving it was driven by insurgents, not a consensus of Muhajirun & Ansar.
أحمد ابن حنبل في 'أصول السنة':
الفضل و الخلافة في أبي بكر و عمر و عثمان.
بعد فترة:
الفضل لأبي بكر و عمر و عثمان و علي
و لا نعنّف من ربع بعلي في الخلافة
بعد الضرب و الحبس و التعذيب:
من لم يربع بعلي فهو أضل من حمار أهله
قولهم ليس خليفة قول سوء رديء
علي زيّن الخلافة
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice They were written during Abbasid Shia dominance. Al-Bukhari the only Uthmani scholar was persecuted and died on the streets ra. Look at earlier works such as Sha’bi, Malik, Zuhri, al-Layth, al-Awzai etc. Also look up Kufa Hadith factory.
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice Lol, Alis army killed Talha ra and even tried to kill Aisha ra. Marwan may Allah be pleased with him was on the same side as Talha and Aisha.
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice Marwan was with Abu Huraira and is the sheikh of Zuhri and Malik. Ibn Abbas deserted from Ali, Ammar was old and misstaken as Abu Musa told him, Abu Ayyub ra was a mujahid with Yazid. Hasan and Husein were not important. They have no hijra, no knowledge or jihad.
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice Yes Ahlus sunnah who appeared around 200 AH. But the earliest Muslims such as Malik, Zuhri, Ibn Musayab, Marwan, Abu Huraira, Aisha etc were Uthmani.
@MusaTheTheist@SyedFai12579739 Haha your grant means nothing. Reality says otherwise. The Muslims gave them allegiance and their conquest witnesses to the fact that people gave their allegiance. Eg that the prophet saw conquered Mecca means he had the allegiance of the tribes.
@ZuhdApprentice@Subdobidble@emulcorp@PetalsnSteel Abu Obeida was better than Ali as evidenced by Abu Bakr’s nomination of him and Azzubayr was better as well. In fact Uthman explicitly said he is the best to succeed him.
@emulcorp@Subdobidble@ZuhdApprentice@PetalsnSteel She was a senior official and respected muhaditha lol. So the university professors of today are not part of the ruling class lol? You have to be the president to rule??
@MusaTheTheist@SyedFai12579739 How about history, reality and the alliegence of all Muslims and the fact that they conquered half the known world. Deluded are you.
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice I think you need to read up a little. It was Ali who regretted his actions and wished he had died 20 years earlier. He hated his followers and was prepared to give up before they murdered him.
Aisha never regretted. She was a muhaditha under Muwayia ra and refused to mention Al
@ZuhdApprentice@AbdullahIbnal Refusing to acknowledge a coup where the Chaliph is murdered in his home in Medina in dhul hijja is extremely wrongly misdirected anger? Yes should’ve just let the putchists have their way.
@SyedFai12579739@AbdullahIbnal@ZuhdApprentice Because Ali killed his two rivals Zubayr and Talha so Muawyia was their natural successor aided by the companions and legitimate governors. Was Aisha ra also power hungry? lol