@PsionicPsittacc@fabiodeuxbeer There's two easy ways to reduce gang violence but would have the tragic consequences of making leftist women sad.
The fact you compare gang members to poor children 🥺 who just need love, understanding, and government gibs is why you're a mark.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP And no, there is no perfect criteria for the perfect voter, just like there is no perfect government that would work for every nation's states situation. You can absolutely end up with a system that discriminates by race, caste, something else arbitrary. I don't see it -
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP 'Who decides who belongs in that category, by what objective criteria, and why should that give the state the power to disenfranchise them?'
Who has the right to decide that rape, murder and thievery are bad and he who commits them should be removed from polite society?
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP You've gone from identifying harmful behaviour to defining a category of "anti-functional people" who, presumably, should not have the same political rights as everybody else.
Correct.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP 'I would rather citizens have a peaceful, equal political mechanism for holding governments accountable than have their ultimate safeguard be their capacity for violence.'
There isn't one. All political power emerges from the barrel of a gun. Violence is the only true vanguard
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP era. The threat of organized violence works both ways: the state has a monopoly, but constantly killing your own people who pay your taxes is a good way for your system to collapse. So the state has an incentive to keep their people happy, voters or not.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP wielding the power of the state, eventually government becomes inverted — instead of being wielded by the upright to restrain the anti functional, it is wielded by the anti-functional against their victims.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP -while may be the duty of the justice system to sentence and carry out me hanging for mass murder or whatever, acting on behalf of the citizenry, it is not their *right* to hang me, if that makes sense.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP I repeat: I want a functional society.
Democracy, like all forms of government, is simply a means, and if universal suffrage is a detriment to the goal of a functioning society, I have no problem with ending it.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP Compared to Singapore, what is better how about NZ is governed?
Higher GDP per capita
Lower crime rate
Better health outcomes
There is nothing NZ can teach Singapore. Singapore, on the other hand, can teach us about multiculturalism.
@AgoraSignal@AnnetteConroy3@SimeonBrownMP Voting is a duty, that is the purpose of it.
Voting should not be a right, and should have stringent requirements that may be revoked.