Dennis Nedry

Bonfire of the vanities

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@JaiNDoC_RL Adoption was banned in Islam because Muhammad couldn’t resist marrying his adopted sons wife

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@YusufalAshari According to Ibn Hazm, he’s allowed to see her fully naked when courting her for marriage

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@Jay81724942 @KerrDepression And yet here he is, saying that the Quran confirms the Torah and Injil in their entirety and that what the Jews and Christians have is what that is. So under that assumption, knowing as we do that the Bible and Quran do NOT align at all, what do we call that?

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The “data” being: “this person told me that this other told him that their uncle told them that their grandparents told them that his neighbours cousin told him that Muhammad married a little girl”. Yeah, definitely reliable, mate.

And for some reason, this doesn’t corroborate with any of the written sources we have from non-Muslims (Syriac, Greek, Armenian, Roman, Persian, &c.) on even a basic detail like whether Muhammad was alive during the conquest of Jerusalem in 634AD.

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@reasoned_islam @NeophyteOne @sneako @AltSNEAKO @NotSonnyFaz @BekLoverNYC @GodLogic_GL @InspiringPhilos @Leafywashere00 The evidence against the traditional sīrah narrative is pretty substantial.

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@luisdizon Yeah but it’s one sided

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@invitingtheolog @MikeWingerii @Rexleonum_NWA @Fearless__Truth @korrathetaymi @FullmetalTheist @InspiringPhilos @rabbriansamuel @HalalNation_ @CapturingChrist @RealShahriqKhan Watch this and it'll explain the various textual traditions of the OT: https://t.co/IkdzPmeQ51

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It confirms it in its entirety later on (2:85) and this hermeneutical principle is very much affirmed by your classical exegetes — it’s not a position without grounding, as much as you’d wish that to be the case — e.g., Al-Bukhari reports via Ibn Abbas that none can change Allah’s word and that this concept is applicable to the Torah and Injil. And it never once says that it’s confirming just parts of the Torah, that’s a forced Muslim interpolation to escape the dilemma.

No, whenever the Quran accuses tahrif (corruption), it’s invariably in the case of interpretative practices. It presupposes that the true revelation via the Torah is available to the Jews and Christians.

On whether it’s confirming the Masoretic or Septuagint version IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU GUYS.

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No, it’s talking to Jews at the time of Muhammad. So which Torah is the Quran confirming? It also tells Jews to judge by the Torah between their hands (“bayna yadayhi”), and says that Jesus confirms the Torah of his time (5:43-48); it goes onto say that the people of the book have nothing to stand upon unless they observe their books (5:68); meanwhile in Surah Al-Baqarah, Allah condemns Jews for not following the entirety of the Torah (2:85); and the Quran also says that the Torah is written down with the Jews (7:157). So which Torah is the Quran confirming? If you’re fretting about the textual variance, that every Christian acknowledges btw, between the Septuagint and Masoretic version, then that problem *must* be generalisable to the Quran.

There are several theories on the authorship of the Pentateuch. It’s not an issue for us to believe in some type of supplementary hypothesis: the Torah underwent some editorial changes over the centuries from when it was first written down. Anyway, these issues aren’t a problem for Christians but they’re an issue for you since the Quran confirms the Pentateuch in the verses I just cited.

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@invitingtheolog @MikeWingerii @Rexleonum_NWA @Fearless__Truth @korrathetaymi @FullmetalTheist @InspiringPhilos @rabbriansamuel @HalalNation_ @CapturingChrist @RealShahriqKhan

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@invitingtheolog @MikeWingerii @Rexleonum_NWA @Fearless__Truth @korrathetaymi @FullmetalTheist @InspiringPhilos @rabbriansamuel @HalalNation_ @CapturingChrist @RealShahriqKhan Which one does the Quran confirm? (2:41)

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The Quran confirms the Torah with the Jews (2:41), written down with them (7:157), condemns Jews for cherrypicking parts of the Torah thereby confirming it in its entirety (2:85), it also calls the Torah Al-Furqan (Criterion), and Muhammad confirms the Torah put in front of him (“I confirm thee and who revealed thee”).

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@Automxatic @HateCones @InspiringPhilos Then why are you in a Christian country? Go live in a Muslim country

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@Automxatic @RUniverseOrg @InspiringPhilos Christians don’t threaten to kill Muslims fortunately

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@UnveilIslam @dmontetheno1 Weak chain

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@KerrDepression @dmontetheno1 Dw, Sam Shamoun (@BruceSaiFun) has you covered https://t.co/eUNpC5yRxl

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@adam17129 Blocked for ad hominem attacks and clearly incapable of engaging in a good faith discussion

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The sort of variation that could arise without the diacritical marks in the Quran (how it was originally "revealed" and written before Uthman's editorial process). It could be read either way.

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@adam17129 @AbuHaroonSyed @KhalilAndani No, this isn’t his entire view on the incident dumbo. He’s written more than a few sentences on this

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@adam17129 What are you upset about?