I agree that the Black church’s civil rights legacy can can shut out the role some leaders played in siding with employers and opposing radical organizing. I also agree that winning equal rights within the existing system is a different political goal from abolishing that system. If church leaders used their influence to steer people away from independent organizing, that deserves to be examined in its own right. It should be noted that the black church were definitely allies with black revolutionaries even if the ideology didn't align. They all wanted what was best for black people and so that support from the church was indispensable.
Where I disagree is with the conclusion that revolutionary politics requires a categorical break with the Black church and Christianity. Those are two separate claims. Breaking with a church leadership that tells workers to accept exploitation makes sense. But that’s a different question from whether Black workers can draw on their faith to fight exploitation. The history of Black sharecroppers organizing with communists is one reason I don’t buy the idea that faith necessarily teaches political submission.
I’d judge churches by how they use their power. If they pressure workers to fall in line, oppose them. If believers are organizing alongside workers, take that seriously.
???? Ok this is just untrue, the black church had positive ties to black resistance and revolutionary organizing, I'm assuming you have a very white centric leftist worldview and don't understand the level of community building the black church had when it came to black liberation. The black church has always been an ally. Yes there were idiological differences and that caused rifts but the black church isn't a monolith. There are definitely leaders that are more suppressive but it's up to folks in that community to shut that shit down.
@redspy1922@EcoTechBro Why seek to abolish something with the potential for improvement and restructuring? Can we improve the material conditions of black folks and all people by extension without eventually ripping out a core part of their community?
@DeersCollected@angelfireignite@EPM106 Racism against black people who didn't think the leopards would eat their face is still racism. Stupid culture war race swap shit is not acceptable critisism and if you are anti racist you would recognize and condemn that while still giving him shit for the actual problem.
@P01s0n3dCupcak3@Crisis_Director@rxinstxrms I think the point is that this particular statistic does not matter in this conversation when we have are having an conversation about trans oppression. It just turns into a lot of arguing when we can all agree sexual assault is bad, and trans people experience sexual assault
@DeersCollected@angelfireignite@EPM106 I like when white leftists find an excuse to be a little racist. Saying you don't care about a black person receiving racist attacks isn't a good take.
@aubergineman08@k4l4shn1k0v34 I mean the reality is most people that basically want to rip religion from people's culture just tend to be a bit racist because that comes with the territory of essentially telling non white people they are wrong and need to progress
Cis people are not dressing in drag to oppress and subjegate you you please get your entire head out of your ass. They have so many ways to do that, don't pick the one that's directly tied to queerness. Don't get it twisted, trans people are oppressed and should be liberated but I'm tired of these wack ass comparisons from people that don't know what they're talking about. Say you don't like drag and leave black people out of it when there's no apt connection other than whatever skin deep comparison you wish to make.
"It's frustrating when conservatives take Drag which is a queer institution and meant for self expression for many queer people, and use it as some sort of caricature against trans people as an excuse to mock them, when that's never been the intention behind the art." Fixed your argument without involving black systemic racist pillars, you're welcome.
@PsychoticRape@taxidermysnail_ Not even remotely my point but were you giggling and clapping your hands together when you said nigga like you accomplished something?
@kamikaze_owo@quebodeauxpe@cardinal_craft "Sorry BLACKIES we are taking your churches and demolishing them, no more praise breaks for you! No more gospel for you! The cornerstone of black music! You're welcome btw!!!!" That's you rn
Ok if you want to look at blackface as mean things white people do to black people without any analysis and use that as a comparison point and expect people to take that comparison seriously other than white queers that are genuinely willfully or woefully ignorant of racism black people face, then that's on you ngl.