@159gb@LetsbeFrankokay@KeithWoodsYT People are not all of equal value. That is obvious.
What value has a man that cannot provide? Little, to others.
Of how much value is a man who can protect and provide for his whole family? Rare value. There is no greater value for a man.
Nah, that’s a hyperbolic interpretation of the point I’m making.
If we have the foreknowledge to terminate such unfortunate lives in utero, this should be seriously considered and permitted for those who understand the consequences of providing a lifetime of care. Most are not up to the task.
Modern medical techniques preserve life when nature would have taken a different course. It is a man made intervention that does no good. Death is not to be avoided at all costs. There are things worse than a quick, peaceful and quiet death.
One of the tragic unspoken realities out there is the crushing resentment, burnout and regret parents of down syndrome people feel, and we create a taboo around being honest about that with this kind of virtue signalling about what a blessing it is.
Don't think about the horrible struggle someone in their 70s or 80s faces caring for a grown man around the clock, just dote over the cute idea of a perpetual child and go about your day. Really the lowest kind of social signalling and an extra humiliation for all involved.
Respectfully - saying that ethnicity is no longer synonymous with nationality is only because of the sheer level of demographic replacement we have already undergone.
‘Natio’ means to be born of, to belong to a common stock. The term ‘ethnonationalism’ is only used now to specify what was previously understood without clarification.
That’s not to say ethnicity doesn’t transcend national boundaries. But it is to say that a nation is not merely some abstract economic zone distinct from the people who inhabit it.
When I say I am English - or even, more broadly, British - and as is often the case these days, somebody of a different ethnicity to me makes the same claim, the difference between us is not being accounted for. They are clearly not British in the way you or I am. Hence the reclarification if Englishness and Britishness as an ethnic identity.
The leaders who forced this on us, this incalculable betrayal, have robbed us of our nationhood. And now we are reclaiming it in the only way possible - in blood.
Nowak was alive for 64 minutes before the police arrived after being stabbed.
He was conscious, talking and sitting up when they arrived.
He was dead three minutes later with his hands cuffed behind his back.
There are no words for this.
Apart from manslaughter.
I agree. From the experience of growing up with a severely mentally disabled sister who cannot feed, dress, or go to the toilet alone. She cannot walk or speak. No good comes of it. It’s nothing against her, she can’t help it. We are a wealthy family, but even then it has been such a burden that I have no doubt most people can’t afford to do it. If I was married, and especially if I had other kids, I would not put them through it, know what I know now. Infanticide would be preferable, jail would not stop me. It’s our entire lives and those of our loved ones - that life has to take priority.
Just so everyone knows, the third Reich itself had a program called “Aktion T4” where among other severely disabled were euthanized. Historically in America the Supreme Court upheld compulsory sterilization of the “feeble minded” and those with Down syndrome were institutionalized in hellish conditions.
Moreover those born with Down syndrome are probable for heart defects and other life threatening or life disabling afflictions ontop of the syndrome itself.
It’s with heavy hearts that society since the dawn of man has dealt with these tragedies relatively the same across the board in the civilized world. It is not un-Christian or uncivilized to spare your child from such misery and tragedy, this is one of very very few exceptions I believe that has historical legitimacy and should be regarded maturely and not with childish/brutish attitude.
To condemn this mercy is to condemn the actions of our societies going back thousands of years.
Because he’s generalising, saying ‘here, my sister is disabled, and look at all she can do, look at how full and valid her life is’, and what I’m saying, and what I perhaps unreasonably took issue with, is that no, that’s not an accurate representation of the full scope of human dysfunction, it gets a lot worse than that, and what then?
Anyway, I don’t mean to be so uncouth. It’s a topic close to home for me, not many seem to have had similar experiences with mentally disabled family, and the. everyone suddenly wades in with an opinion. All I know is, as I said before, I would not do it again. If I was married, and had other kids, I would not put them through that. I would do something about it.
@listenJimGreene@BeccaJLower@BowieTheus Yeah I’ve been in counselling since I was about six. They put me in there. Didn’t know what the fuck they wanted from me.
@Nicole_in_DC@BeccaJLower@BowieTheus Yeah, I agree with what you say.
But at the time I was thinking, there’s no way to make her shut up once and for all without making a terrible mess, and then, my mother would freak out.