Nox

| former Trader | Jack of all Trades | Sloppy Erudite | TradCath | Lurker | SSPX attendee. Looking for allies in this Modernist Crisis.

[Nox @Nox5347]

@ashlyntherese @WhiteRosePapist @lawrrober89 you're conflating being in communion vs not canonically regular. 1 is ontological the other is administrative.

[Bree Solstad @BreeSolstad]

The greatest trick of modernism was convincing Catholics that fidelity to Christ means never questioning a prudential act, ambiguous statement, or public scandal of a pope.

The saints didn't believe that.
The theologians didn't believe that.
The Church has never taught that.

[Deacon Nick Donnelly @ProtecttheFaith]

If anyone refers to the SSPX being Protestant, I’ll block them immediately

[Kennedy Hall @kennedyhall]

@Os_Justi_m No, it will be solved by the pope. And until he acts and teaches like a Catholic, priests of the SSPX will help the poor souls who have been orphaned by their dioceses.

[Nox @Nox5347]

@kennedyhall @EricRSammons @JeffCassman If anyone says Kennedy is making these up...Wrong. Nope.

[Nox @Nox5347]

@kennedyhall @EricRSammons @JeffCassman Pretty sure it's the prior in Langley(Vancouver priory) Idk if the Prior in Calgary also put out a reply to that bulletin in HF vancouver(fssp) claiming that the SSPX are like Anglicans.. I also have those bulletins

[Kennedy Hall @kennedyhall]

It is mixed. In western Canada one of the FSSP parishes has been putting out open letters against the SSPX, to the point where the SSPX prior in Calgary had to issue an open response because what was alleged was so false. At another in the same region the parish priest thinks the opposite about the SSPX.

Friend from NM told me for two weeks after the announcement that his priest hammered about them being schismatic during sermons. And Claves, the largest FSSP publication, has never stopped publishing articles arguing the intrinsic schism in the SSPX, many of the articles argue they are essentially sede. Interestingly, the arguments are based on Vatican II. With some quotes from the before time thrown in. Essentially, they argue in an academic way that they are 'crypto sede', which is made especially ironic because the Trad recovery took that line of thinking and applied it to the FSSP itself.

One time when I attended FSSP years ago, it was Niagara Falls, the priest was preaching about Francis being a heretic and that the hierarchy would go to hell due to Pachamama etc.

A priest friend of mine in ICKSP venerated Lefebvre as a saint, and one of his colleagues, running an Ignatian retreat, found out that one of the ladies was an SSPX attendee, so he spent considerable time during the conferences hammering the SSPX.

It is all over the map. But, for many, the reality is that the harshest critics of the SSPX are from the ED communities.

This is one reason why, if I am on the road, I will always choose the SSPX for Mass, even if other options are available, because I don't want to be called a schismatic while trying to worship God.

In the thousands of Masses I've attended with SSPX, I can't recall a single sermon or mention of ED communities. In catechism lessons or their order meetings the odd time, when it is relevant to the theology discussed, yes, but never during the sermon.

I've also never heard a word about the hierarchy in anything more than a general sense, unless something happens like the Fiducia thing and the superior letter was read.

But, my anecdotal experience is my own and doesn't count for proof of universal practice.

[Nox @Nox5347]

@nicholasdetejas @BackwardsFeet I already know he adheres to modernism just from his answers yrs ago on /r catholicism.

[Anthony @Catholicizm1]

Why do people who don’t attend the SSPX care so much about the SSPX?

[Nox @Nox5347]

@EricRSammons https://t.co/Vx2siFOHBl do good work. But if you want "charity" you might as well not say those who adhere from bishops of the society to priest and laity are excommunicated. If you're not sure u butter not go with that conclusion.Or scare other people.

[Peter Kwasniewski @DrKwasniewski]

If you don't understand that this state of affairs is why the SSPX both exists and continues to grow, then you understand nothing. I am not saying that I doubt that the truth will ultimately prevail or God is in charge. Rather, I ask seriously about the roles we are supposed to have as His instruments. We're not waiting for a Deus ex machina.

[SSPX News: Society of Saint Pius X @SSPXEN]

Will We Be Excommunicated? https://t.co/LDm3TjjVQU

[Nox @Nox5347]

@EricRSammons You are forgetting that it has to be a just and binding penalty not just because they issue it...... but then again what you've beeen adhering to is Nominalism.

[SSPX News: Society of Saint Pius X @SSPXEN]

Declaration of Bishop Athanasius Schneider on the SSPX Consecrations https://t.co/oJ5FgOQCVX

[Traditional Catholic ☩ @_BattleForTruth]

“The Church no longer condemns, except those who stay faithful to Tradition”

- Archbishop Lefebvre

[Nox @Nox5347]

@EricRSammons Excommunicatin has to be objective not just what an authority says.. Again thats Nominalism. the fact that you believe fr martin is in communion cause they say so and the SSPX isnt, is proof you are a adhering to nominalism. the Label doesnt create the reality.

[UNA VOCE SEVILLA - Misa Tradicional @UnaVoceSevilla]

Obispo Schneider: “¿Por qué se presenta la aceptación incondicional de los textos del Vaticano II como una conditio sine qua non para la plena comunión con la Santa Sede, mientras que no existe un requisito comparable con respecto a las enseñanzas pastorales, disciplinarias o no definitivas de los veinte Concilios Ecuménicos anteriores?”

[Lepanto Institute @LepantoInst]

It seems that the SSPX’s strategy is to force the Pope to excommunicate them as schismatics so that the very next day, they can apply for interfaith dialogue, be met in the Vatican by an official delegation, get treated like royalty, pray with the pope (with a photo-op), and perform formal liturgical functions in St. Peter’s.

Or, does this only work for Anglican women larping as bishops?

[Nox @Nox5347]

@EricRSammons that literally is nominalism.

[Nox @Nox5347]

@carbo_al if it cant err then its 'infallible'......... if every 'ordinary teaching is 'infallible' then 'infallibility/solemn definitions are redundant. basic logic > modernism