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@sammythemc @cole_squires @bulutbakla Again, I see what you are saying, but it still had to be motivated in the movie.

They should've given the audience a feel for why the characters aligned themselves with these ideas & POVs.

That would be good storytelling. Instead we got a series of unmotivated contrivances.

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@sammythemc @cole_squires @bulutbakla I get what you are saying, and I agree to an extent, but Colman Domingo's trust had to be motivated in the movie for the audience to buy into it, I strongly feel we had to see some sort of evidence that he was right the aliens were good, and not just being misled.

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla You are conveniently ignoring the part where she starts uncontrollably speaking in languages she has never learned, including an alien language in live TV, and then passes out. Then spends the whole movie freaking out and mentally overwhelmed.

What a cherry-picking clown!

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla When did we learn the beings were well-intentioned? When was that made clear in the movie, in a way that does not invite reasonable distrust?

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla (2/2)

Where in the movie is it justified that the non-consensual procedures on humans are "to the benefit of the individual and the population"?

Exactly my point. The movie WANTS you to blindly trust these things are good & benevolent, when the movie never addresses why that is

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla You see? And right there is where the assumption of implicit trust is made. You have just shown exactly what my point is. Both the character and the audience have zero reason to assume that the procedures the aliens perform on humans are benevolent and well-intentioned (1/2)

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@cole_squires @sammythemc @bulutbakla No characters who embody the POV of the movie, yes.

Villains are never supposed to represent the values and principles that the movie wants you to walk away with, lol. Villains are there to represent the antithesis of the point the movie is trying to make, film literacy 101.

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla Nasty things like literally abducting little kids and fundamentally altering their minds, and potentially their bodies, without consent, while leaving them with lifelong trauma that they will have to cope with.

Seriously dude, what movie did you watch?

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla The abduction scene when they were kids? Or what are you talking about?

If that's what you mean, that's when they were kids in a flashback. I mean during the actual events of the movie in the present time.

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla (2/2)

Even Hugo seemed to have never even considered the possibility that the aliens could be deceiving him all along.

I totally can buy into the aliens being good, but I need the movie to SELL me on that. Especially when the aliens were doing nasty things to people and kids.

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla When did Josh O'Connor "mistrust" them? Give me specific scenes and story beats.

Every character on the "good" side just blindly walked into and played along with every situation regarding the aliens. When did Emily Blunt say "hey I don't know if I trust these guys"? (1/2)

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@sammythemc @cole_squires @bulutbakla Yeah, the villains, who we are NOT supposed to trust or side with. All of the "good guys" characters in the movie blindly walked into all sorts of situations with aliens, including the ending of the movie.

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@cole_squires @bulutbakla You miss the point.

It's totally fine if in this story the aliens are "beings of good will", they can 100% do that.

What he's saying is there was never a moment of reasonable doubt, no character ever doubted the good intentions of the aliens, even if they had every reason to.

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@mjsimpsonfilms @HiddenYorkshire Yeah, the rules for the alien "device" and its capabilities were very poorly conceived, probably the worst thing in the script.

It seemed to me that you had a big problem with the animals, so I was curious to see why (I thought the animals actually worked well for this story)

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@mjsimpsonfilms @HiddenYorkshire What were those things you were specifically taught not to do? Just curious here!

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@RadAxl1 @TheBatmansDA So you hate her. If you didn't hate her or weren't misogynistic to her, then her words would've meant nothing to you.

But she rattles you so much that her words mean the world to you, so now you have to act a fool. If you truly did not care, then you would not be doing this!

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@thuringen67 @spencer_askew @trygraptor Yeah the whole POV that the movie (and Spielberg by extension) has on the aliens and the things they do to people, without consent, in this movie and how they present them as "nice" and benevolent things, is really weird and contradictory.

Any comment on this @trygraptor?

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@FoxyDebbiChan @frankie_in_cork @JPWakeBooks He means why they were able to just wheel that alien in and nobody even tried to stop them, and also nobody was looking for the alien that these guys just casually had?

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@stonojnr @Anna_GenAI2_0 @Driftwould2 So he can make crop circles through telekinesis or something? 🤨

I get what you're saying, but it's still not interesting or compelling in any way.

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@johndensford @bob_noss @alibrooke4ever Just as I expected, you have no answer to these points @johndensford :)

It's OK to be such a Spielberg fan, but that shouldn't override your ability to be able to tell when he does subpar work. I wish I wasn't right about this movie, but sadly I am. Still had a good time tho!

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@johndensford @bob_noss @alibrooke4ever What were the emotional arcs that Josh O'Connor and Emily Blunt went through in the movie? Not as plot devices, but as 3-dimensional characters?

How was the ending not a huge cop-out? That was the moment Spielberg HAD to deliver.

Enjoyable movie, though!