@inconnu0connu The main schtick of the Jansenists was their Augustinian pessimism and moral rigorism in opposition to what was perceived as laxity/familiarity in the reception of sacraments.
Kinda weird to get that wrong.
@HaruhiAisaka The effects of grace and the cultivation of virtue are so otherworldly and incomprehensible to many that they can only conceive of them as the fruits of mental illness.
The radicality of genuine redemption and forgiveness is an unbearable sight to worldly eyes.
@henryjkwallis@fleur_inverse "Le type qui manifeste régulièrement son mépris pour les autochtones et appelle au grand remplacement ethnique aime la France car il veut voir des Africains chanter la Marseillaise. Je suis très intelligent."
@dissolution1806@SilverSoulTrad To some extend we do, especially when the scope and authority of the object is not yet clearly defined.
It would seem insufficient, as the roman pontiff had a different opinion, backpedaled several times, and held to a different interpretation and harmonizing view on Constance.
@dissolution1806@SilverSoulTrad Given the mess we’re dealing with, it seems too tedious to judge the whole tradition through the lens of a momentarily majority but now forsaken position. Frankly I don’t know how you can reconcile Vatican I with a conciliarist view.
How do you see those things exactly ?
@dissolution1806@SilverSoulTrad The reception of these councils is perhaps the most complex of all. There was no agreement on their ecumenical status or on whether their decrees were dogmatic and/or binding. For ex at Trent there was no consensus on the validity of Florence’s decree concerning papal primacy.
@dissolution1806@SilverSoulTrad I’m aware. What I’m saying is that Eugene IV was obviously insincere given his constant flip-flopping and attempts at overruling the conciliarist view.
At least Martin V stood by the application of Frequens (whether that makes him a conciliarist or not is another issue).