"Joker: Folie à Deux" director Todd Phillips says Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck was never Joker.
"He’s always been Arthur Fleck; he’s never been this thing that’s been put upon him, this idea that Gotham people put on him, that he represents. He’s an unwitting icon. This thing was placed on him, and he doesn’t want to live as a fake anymore — he wants to be who he is."
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