@emperorthesteve This guy is probably just German. Gretzinger et al looked at Northern Irish (prots mostly id assume) as a sample and found them to be almost 70% Insular Celt on their model. Even Northeast England is majority Insular Celt so I imagine lowlands and SW Scot is 55-70% Insular Celt
@axehearding@DavidePiffer Because genetic distance is not the same as genetic derivation. For example Irish are genetically closer to Anglo-Saxons than modern English are, but this is because modern English have accepted more Continental ancestry and therefore more EEF. It does not mean Irish are Anglo
@ulfcytel Right, that’s not the Northeast, that’s Yorkshire which also had heavy Viking influence genetically. In Gretzinger et al NE England is less than 31% CNE (Continental Northern Europe) and majority WBI
@Trierarch81@wylfcen Genetics backs it up though no? English on the whole are majority Insular Celt + Continental Celt. Even if one doesn’t accept the Cont Celt as native British a 17-57% Insular Celt range is not indicative of genocide or significant displacement.
@DoorHingetjxt @GaelicFuturist That’s Albion’s Seed pop history nonsense. If you read actual history of the plantations, more than half came from SW Scotland, which was Gaelic speaking until the Early Modern Period. Also Vikings never conquered Ireland, but they did conquer England a couple times. Read a book
@DoorHingetjxt @GaelicFuturist Also Ulster Scots aren’t back country Anglos. They mostly came from Ayrshire and SW Scotland, Gaelic speaking throughout the Middle Ages and well into the Early Modern period
@DoorHingetjxt @GaelicFuturist Please present one textual piece of evidence that Irish Catholics were hated in the Colonies and Early Republic, there’s isn’t because the founders thought they were based. Also I love: “Ulster Scots. Different Race” *are literally closer to Irish than Germans are toother Germans
@PotatoWaffen_@_CultureCrusade Certainly, I’m just saying there’s lots of people who identify as Irish American who are between that 60-85% Irish range, with minority German, English, or Central European ancestry that would plausibly drift them to Welsh, English, or Brittany as closest distances on G25s
@PotatoWaffen_@_CultureCrusade Depends on how much Irish you consider an Irish American. I’m like 60-75% Irish with some English and continental ancestry and I’m closest to like England_Kent and England_Cornwall on G25s. Some continental ancestry will drift you and the English are already genetically close
Irish Catholic diaspora have been in the America's for a considerably long time pre-dating Ellis Island immigration anyway.
Scots-Irish also just describes a process of a recently Anglicized population from south-western Scotland (Galloway, Ayrshire) going through Ireland and then to America with small to middle amounts of /actual/ Anglo-Border stock strewn in.
Main hub for Scots farmers being transported to Ireland were places like Ayrshire and Galloway which still spoke Gaelic up and 'till the 1700s. The main difference being that the south-west of Scotland was quick to adopt Protestantism and was targeted for Anglicization.
Scots-Irish should re-Gaelicize and embrace it tbh.
@PopularesResCin@OurOwnNation Please cite one founding father who said Irish immigration would be fatal. German and Italian? Perhaps Franklin did a few times, as for the Irish? None of them did, literally every founding father thought the Irish were based. You need to cope.
@oxxiann@E76789702E@BasedGeologist I mean I wouldn’t even classify the Irish as “Ellis-Islanders” like Eastern Europeans, Italians, or Jews because the Ellis Island period was like 1890-1924. The majority of Irish immigration happened BEFORE the Civil War, and they were already here anyways.
@oxxiann@E76789702E@BasedGeologist As were Germans, Ulster Scots, and Scandis, but you don’t see the same statements being made about them by larping “WASP” chuds online. You made a false statement that Irish Catholics weren’t present in the 1600s, but they were. Principally, that was what I was replying to