Here’s the problem. The liberal political class wants us to treat atrocities like Belfast as single, random, isolated incidents. “Yes, it’s horrific, but don’t overreact,” they say. “Let the police do their job. Justice will be delivered. Let’s remain united,” and so on.
But the public can see that such incidents *aren’t* random or isolated. They are, in fact, all the consequence of massive state failure in the area of asylum and immigration. All roads lead back there.
That’s why people are angry.. They are sick of the platitudes that get trotted out after each fresh incident. They don’t want to hear them anymore. They know that the decisions of establishment politicians have brought us to this current pass, and they don’t trust those same politicians to fix things, especially when some of them refuse to even recognise that the public’s anger is justified.
There has been a huge vibe shift in recent years. Imagine - God forbid - there were another 7/7. Does anyone think the public response would be anything like as restrained as it was then? We are in really dangerous territory.
The public don’t want flowers and candles and “Don’t let them divide us.” They want someone who says, “I recognise that the state has failed abjectly. We have allowed far too many people to settle in the country without knowing who they truly are. It has disrupted your communities. Your anger is justified. And I will do everything in my power to put things right.”
Any politician unwilling to articulate that message, fully and sincerely, is effectively sanctioning more years of growing social disharmony and discord. Things cannot heal until those in power recognise the extent of the problem and what it will take to fix it. And, on both counts, most of them don’t.
That’s why the next few years are going to be very, very turbulent.
@JackxJewell Politicians do what is expedient, aided by a media class who don't seem interested in having these discussions.
We can have mass immigration, but don't discuss the on the ground realities, because that could be divisive. Besides, diversity is our strength!
Politicians are nowhere near intelligent enough to discuss human psychology when it comes to rioting.
Yes rioting is awful. Yes you should never do this. Stop doing this. All correct.
Yet history shows you riots and public disorder clearly happen from a series of events, long periods of frustration/ feeling unheard, distrust in authorities - and ultimately - a feeling the public can’t be kept safe by the state.
Whether you like it or not - rioting happens. Left and Right. There will be bad actors. There will be criminals. It doesn’t help. But it’s happening whether you like it or not.
Blaming Farage, Musk, Trump, Tommy, racism, division, billionaires, Russia/China… all of these are distractions from facing the biological reality that humanity is tribal and territorial.
Solely condemning the rioters is two-dimensional and weak. It is depressing how most politicians are either: too thick to explore complex multifaceted problems, too cowardly to go near these territories - or both.
Most are so busy thinking about votes and the media round, it doesn’t even occur to them to ponder on how they frame problems. It is in their interest to - you go against your party, you lose friends/colleagues, you become newspaper headlines for a week, and you lose your sense of certainty. (Also a trait of human biology playing out before our eyes!)
This age of libs fancy themselves so much, they think our “progression” has made our biological instincts redundant in a matter of decades, purely through talking about kindness, inclusivity, diversity, and multiculturalism. Much like other religions, their ideology denies scientific evolution as a concept.
They believe this fiction to be true purely because they wish for it to be. In this utopia, every culture is equal, every human being is a blank slate, every country is purely an economic zone with a name, every nationality is a piece of paper. Ethnicity doesn’t exist, yet ethnic minorities somehow do exist. We also call them the “global majority.”
There is no such thing as historical ties to a nation, shared collective memory, demographic protectiveness, or in-group preference.
Every religion is the same. Men can become women. Suicide bombers blow themselves up because they have “anxiety and ADHD.” Getting fucked by 1000 men a day is “freedom” - but so is wearing a burka and being one of three wives.
People say religion has declined (bar Islam which is growing) - it doesn’t seem it has to me. We just don’t call this “multicultural diversity equality kindness blob” a religion. And interestingly, you can observe another trait of humanity here: that we need systems of belief systems and feelings of something greater beyond us.
These stale politicians are fantasists. Personally, I’m a realist. Sometimes that means acknowledging human beings are highly flawed and prone to terrible things given the circumstances.
I try to speak these truths how I see them. We are so far from having this conversation as a society - but we can only overcome these problems if we take the first step in acknowledging what’s happening in the first place.
@DrewPavlou Everyone is well aware of the history of northern Ireland, which has little to do with happenings in 2026, but I can see why that would be hard for someone with a Palestinian flag in their bio to grasp.
Perhaps all those geniuses who want to cut migration, and the journos cheering them on, might spend a few days in hospital. Then they can come out and explain how they would have fared without the professional skills of the large chunk of the health workforce not born here.
This is simply not true @Keir_Starmer.
You absolutely DO tolerate abhorrent scenes of violence like this attack. Just like you tolerate all the rapes and sexual assaults of women and girls by illegal migrants.
You - and most of the political class - decided long ago that these crimes are a price worth paying in return for achieving your multicultural, diverse, open bordered nirvana.
So don't pretend to be shocked and don't wring your hands in sadness. This is the predictable (and predicted) result of the policies YOU support.
It is becoming increasingly clear that this conversation is never going to move to a more realistic, evidence-based place for people like Narinder.
In one breath, we are told that only the rioters are responsible for their behaviour, not the asylum seeker accused of trying to behead someone.
In the next, it is apparently acceptable to blame those same riots on political figures across the sea in England, neither of whom condoned rioting.
The truth many on the Left still cannot bear to admit, whether we argue about “per capita” or not, is that an innocent man would not have had an attempted beheading inflicted upon him if we had a functioning border system - one capable of controlling who enters the country and preventing large numbers of men from unstable parts of the world from arriving in the UK and claiming asylum.
@AyoCaesar Should have thought about that before you pushed race politics. Can't put the genie back in the bottle now that per capita crime rates make it inconvenient.
@rohancct There's not many tackling options in the circumstances, I don't think there was any intent on Framptons part to have Mihoceks head hit the ground, but the motion and positioning did lead to that outcome.
@ShengTa_Tsai@AngelVelescu@maklelan No, that's not what he's saying. Why is it so hard for some to conceptualize a being higher than themselves.
Is a judge who sentences a criminal to death exercising might or authority?
@maklelan I'm not an atheist, but here's a standard bad faith atheist argument.
But please tell me more about how God the creator of the universe can't judge nations because you say so.