@Trickdaddy83@RobProvince@VincentParry2 Yeah, I've seen a contractor ground a house to a copper water line...which then connected to PVC before exiting the house. No additional grounding rod. Idiot.
Found that one after lightning struck the house and blew half the electrical, and we went looking for why that happened.
@sethrotull372@Mrgunsngear Hypothetical example: he ditches the gun and flees; is he likely to carjack to escape? Do we know he does NOT have any weapon? If he puts up his hands and surrenders, you don't shoot. If a known dangerous suspect attempts escape, shoot. See also Plumhoff v. Rickard, 572 U.S. 765
@sethrotull372@Mrgunsngear I agree with (A) 100%. (B) is incorrect. You are legally in the clear to shoot a fleeing unarmed suspect if you can articulate that he poses a threat to yourself or anyone else. Throwing away an empty or malfunctioning gun does not indicate he is no longer a dangerous killer.
@JosephGerbs@Mrgunsngear You're also ignoring that there are over 700,000 US LEOs, and that in peak GWOT, there were only around 100k active combat infantry. If you wanted to argue that an army logistics captain who never deploys has less combat experience than police, you'd be right. But you're not.
@JosephGerbs@Mrgunsngear This comparison is disingenuous enough to be poor trolling. You've included 15 years of mostly peacetime, disregarded that cops often work alone and are thus more likely to be KIA by gunshot, and disregarded that 80% of military KIA are from IEDs, RPG, mortar, artillery, etc.
@JosephGerbs@Mrgunsngear 25% or fewer LEOs will be involved in a shooting during their career. 80% or more of GWOT frontline troops were involved in AT LEAST one shootout.
LEO data across major city PDs:
Zero shootings: ~70–75%
One: ~20–23%
Two: ~3–5% (My group)
Three: ~0.5–1%
Four or more: Under 0.5%
@Mrgunsngear In short, we're fucked because much of major urban police hiring and training is fucked. They'd rather hire soft spoken nice guys and train sensitivity and community handholding than do proper range training. Liability! More dead cops and citizens are much cheaper than lawsuits.
@Mrgunsngear Your expectations are too high. Consider that the majority of police are hired from a society unfamiliar with firearms, that many have never shot before, that even fewer have military combat experience. Then consider that major urban PDs dislike veterans because they're not PC.
@iHATEuLIBERAL@Mrgunsngear@CryptoD08720103 100%. He was NOT ready for this. I wasn't mentally ready either, but I functioned anyway because I trained for it. Muscle memory saves lives.
@sethrotull372@Mrgunsngear Ah, ok! (A) It's a panic reaction under stress. Bad and dangerous.
(B) You can legally shoot a fleeing unarmed suspect. (Tennessee v. Garner & Graham v. Connor.) It is objectively reasonable to believe that a fleeing man who has just committed a murder will try to harm others.
@JosephGerbs@Mrgunsngear Many GWOT vets who've been shot at a few times will be infinitely more comfortable in an emergency than your average clean-cut suburban 22yo kid with a college degree. At least they won't cower, hide, and then reactively shoot a civvie by mistake like the Canadian gal cop.
@JosephGerbs@Mrgunsngear I think you misunderstood my point. Combat vets tend to make really good partners on hot calls. Most cops have no experience with violence; background checks and liability-averse admins avoid anyone like that, including combat vets. Most cops have never been in a shooting.
@VincentParry2 A very, very unpopular truth can be learned by looking at the statistical impact on crime if you remove 1% 5%, or 10% of the known offenders, starting with the most egregious and prolific. Removing ~2% of recidivists would stop 30-50% of ALL crime.
@Mrgunsngear My dude, this is just delusional ignorance. Look at what postal inspectors do with interdiction of drugs delivered via the mail. Drug dealers are often heavily armed. USPIS legitimately needs the gear for those raids...like any SWAT unit.
@iHATEuLIBERAL@Mrgunsngear@CryptoD08720103 You know, he may be great on a one-way range on qual day. It's not the same when you're running, adrenaline loaded, and stressed. Even LE range training often neglects that aspect. The majority of non-LE, non-mil citizen shooters only ever practice that way, never stressed.
@sethrotull372@Mrgunsngear Why problematic? Shooting one-handed is fine. Shooting accurately would be a whole lot better, but adrenaline dump and lack of stressed practice causes similar outcomes routinely. (You can safely assume there will be 40-60% misses even by a good shooter in a running shootout.)
@SCMike78@nicksortor@CarlHigbie Years ago I had a colleague who advocated that we build a fenced-in arena and televise the Gang Sports events on pay-per-view. No innocent casualties in the crossfire, legal betting, thinning the herd, and no fleeing to the ER for services afterward without paying. Win-win.