Rebecca Carlson

Director of Philosophy & Engagement @EqualRightsInst, Adjunct Professor @biolau, PhD in Philosophy from @USC

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope I think this is one part of your argument I just genuinely don't understand yet. Would you be more ok with laws that require people to remain pregnant if human physiology were such that in order to remain pregnant a woman had to voluntarily rub her belly once a day?

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @JaredKubin @lydiataydavis If I was standing in the middle of a pool holding an infant and I decided I don't want to be holding her anymore, so I drop her into the pool, I'm pretty sure the law would call that killing rather than letting die. Either way, it's wrong and should be illegal.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @pooltroof Lol no that's fair. I didn't look back in the thread to see the context

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @pooltroof Yeah, that's definitely fair

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @pooltroof That last sentence is actually not true of me, or of a bunch of other prolifers

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope Yeah, this is gross. If the biological function of an organ can mean another person has a right to be in it, that goes very dark places very fast. There are good prolife arguments. This is emphatically not one of them.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LBR4567 @Crowl8wg @just_mindy Jane Doe says she eventually became completely incapacitated. That's not saying yes.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LBR4567 @Crowl8wg @just_mindy That's not how the law currently works in New York. I think it's a lot closer to how the law should work. If someone takes your purse out of your lap and walks off, that's stealing, even if you were too shocked or too drunk to tell them to stop. And even if they were drunk too.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LBR4567 @TwoQuoque @TurtleTime911 @just_mindy Legally is a separate question, and one I'm not qualified to answer. But morally, if you get the texts that 57 men got in their Snapchat feed that night, you absolutely have a responsibility to do something.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@realbuffhole @secularprolife There's a big difference between an organism never coming into existence in the first place, and a living organism being killed.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope Agree with the first two, disagree with the third (both that the language of killing is hyperbolic/imprecise and that it's incongruent with nonpenalty for women who have abortions and LOTM exceptions)

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@Wobingu @LauraRbnsn What do you do with the fact that the Bible also tells husbands to submit to their wives?

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LauraRbnsn @ReligionProf Have you ever at any age tried *attending* classes for each other?

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @CamrynHorchow @Squish43172398 @baz_blackadder @dudewatevs56 @FreakiSeeki I've experienced sadistic abuse. I'm not saying I've experienced genocide or slavery; I'm saying I understand viscerally the dynamics and the horror of aspects of personhood being weaponized instead of just ignored.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@Squish43172398 @LyssAnthrope @CamrynHorchow @baz_blackadder @dudewatevs56 @FreakiSeeki I fully agree that pregnant women are people who matter. Sounds like you and I disagree about whether prenatal children are also people who matter.

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @CamrynHorchow @Squish43172398 @baz_blackadder @dudewatevs56 @FreakiSeeki So making a modus tollens argument to prove a specific claim, not making an analogy

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @CamrynHorchow @Squish43172398 @baz_blackadder @dudewatevs56 @FreakiSeeki Thanks for clarifying. I was saying: If law not recognizing you as a person means you're not a person, then 1940s Jews in Germany & 1840s Black people in the US south weren't people. But they were people. Therefore, the law not recognizing you as a person doesn't mean you're not

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope @CamrynHorchow @Squish43172398 @baz_blackadder @dudewatevs56 @FreakiSeeki I don't take myself to be framing slavery and the holocaust as if they were disagreements about moral status

[Rebecca Carlson @RebeccaKCarlson]

@LyssAnthrope I fully agree that those children's deaths have nothing to do with abortion. I don't think we disagree about how grotesque it was to bring up jurors' possible abortions in the first place. We might disagree about how much added grossness there is in the gender piece, I'm not sure