RobLee

Conservative, Christian

[RobLee @RobertL215]

The rainbow was given by God as a sign of mercy after judgment—a promise to never again destroy the earth by water. It followed a flood sent to cleanse the world of violence and sexual immorality. Now, as we near the end of the age, that same symbol is celebrated...
@strongvoice

[RobLee @RobertL215]

@canadarescue401 That synagogue attack cost money you know. Somebody has to reimburse them.

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Great question and scriptural points!

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Who Are the "Tribulation Saints"?

1. They are present in the Great Tribulation (Matt 24:21)

2. They are hated and persecuted for His name's sake (Matt 24:9)

3. The Dragon makes war with them (Rev 12:17)

4. The Beast has authority over them (Rev 13:7)

5. They refuse the mark of the Beast (Rev 13:15-17)

6. They overcome the Dragon (Rev 12:11)

7. They endure till the end (Matt 24:13)

8. They face death disregarding their own lives (Rev 12:11)

9. They are blessed to die in the Lord (Rev 14:13)

10. They are beheaded for their witness to Jesus (Rev 20:4)

11. They cry out "how long?" from under the altar (Rev 6:9-10)

12. They receive robes, made white in the blood of the Lamb (Rev 6:11, 7:14)

13. They stand on the sea of glass before the throne having victory over the Beast (Rev 15:2)

14. They are resurrected at the "first resurrection" (Rev 20:4-5)

15. They reign with Christ for 1000 years (Rev 20:4)

Does this sound like God's wrath, or rather the greatest period of persecution the world has ever known—exactly as Jesus warned would transpire before His coming? (Matt 24:21)

Are Tribulation Saints really a separate group of believers, or are they simply the end-time Church?

[RobLee @RobertL215]

A fresh look at the structure of Revelation.
What do you think about viewing these as parallel tracks?"

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

Understanding the Structure of Revelation Brings Clarity to End-Time Prophecy

The written order and chapter layout of Revelation can influence how we understand its overall timeline.

Because the text flows sequentially on the page, it raises a fundamental question: does the written sequence of the visions represent a single chronological timeline, or something else?

When we compare standard models to a text-based approach, the intended timeline comes into focus:

The Sequential Model

The View: Reads strictly in order from start to finish (Seals 1–7 -> Trumpets 1–7 -> Bowls 1–7).

The Issue: At the 6th Seal, the sky rolls back, Christ appears, and world leaders and common people alike hide in terror because His wrath has come. If the Trumpets follow in a strict linear chain, the narrative resets—forcing 3.5 years of antichrist reign and daily life as if that global revelation never happened.

The Recapitulation Model

The View: Treats all three series as identical retellings of the same seven events (Seal 1 = Trumpet 1 = Bowl 1).

The Issue: Ignores clear, explicit differences in scale, such as partial judgment (1/3 destroyed) in the Trumpets versus total destruction in the Bowls.

Hybrid Models

The View: Various combinations of sequential and recapitulation approaches are used to fit specific passages or existing frameworks.

​The Issue: Mixing rules to accommodate certain passages often introduces inconsistency, relying on external assumptions rather than a uniform standard across the entire text.

🔹 THE INDEPENDENT VISION MODEL🔹

Instead of forcing every vision into a single 21-step timeline or flattening them into identical copies, each vision track is treated as an independent narrative.

The Alignment Method

Specific scriptural anchors lock these separate vision tracks together in real time, replacing human charts with internal textual evidence.

1. The Transition to the Day of the Lord

• Joel 2:31: The sun turns to darkness BEFORE the great and awesome Day of the Lord.

• Matthew 24:29–30: Immediately AFTER the tribulation, the sun goes dark and the Son of Man appears on the clouds.

• The 6th Seal: The sun goes dark and the sky rolls back, marking the exact boundary where tribulation ends and the Day of the Lord begins.

2. Coming on the Clouds
Exactly seven distinct passages in scripture describe Jesus coming on the clouds, including:

• Daniel 7:13: The Son of Man comes on the clouds to receive His kingdom.

• Revelation 14:14: The Son of Man appears sitting on a cloud to reap His harvest.

• Revelation 1:7: Every eye will see Him when He comes on the clouds.

3. The Onset of Wrath & Heaven Opening

God's wrath is not the entire tribulation period; it is His direct response following it.

• The 6th Seal: The sky rolls back like a scroll—unveiling the open heaven—and the world declares that "the great day of His wrath has come."

• Revelation 11:19: Heaven opens at the 7th Trumpet, declaring "Your wrath has come."

• Revelation 15:5: Heaven opens to release the Seven Bowls of Wrath.

• Revelation 19:11–15: Heaven opens for Christ to depart and tread the winepress of divine wrath.

Scriptural Alignment: Every instance of heaven opening signals the exact moment where Christ descends to execute judgment.

4. The Resurrection & Reward Anchor

The resurrection does not happen in isolation; it occurs at the exact moment Christ appears on the clouds and His wrath begins.

• Matthew 24:30–31: Immediately after the tribulation and the cosmic signs of the 6th seal, the Son of Man appears on the clouds and sends His angels to gather His elect.

• Revelation 11:18: When the 7th Trumpet sounds, the time arrives "to judge the dead, and to reward Your servants the prophets and the saints."

• Revelation 22:12: Jesus confirms, "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done."
This ties the ultimate reward of the saints directly to the resurrection and His visible return at the end of the age.

Scriptural Alignment: These passages lock the resurrection and rewarding of the saints to the exact same moment: when Christ appears on the clouds and God's wrath begins, at the sixth seal and 7th trumpet.

5. The "Thief in the Night" Shock Event

1 Thessalonians 5:2 and Revelation 16:15 explicitly describe the Day of the Lord and Jesus's return as a "thief in the night"—an abrupt, inescapable shock that shatters global unbelief:

• The Reality: There can only be ONE thief-in-the-night moment. Surprise requires normal everyday conditions—eating, drinking, and business as usual. Once that shock occurs, global unbelief ends; people cannot "go back to sleep" and be caught off guard a second time.

• The 6th Seal: The sky rolls back, Christ appears, and people from all walks of life hide in caves in utter panic because the day of His wrath has come.

​• The 7th Trumpet (Rev 11): The Two Witnesses rise and ascend to heaven, a massive earthquake strikes, and the survivors are terrified—immediately after which the 7th Trumpet sounds, declaring the onset of God's wrath.

Scriptural Alignment: These two passages capture the exact same global terror event—the precise, unrepeatable moment the entire world realizes God is real and His wrath has come.

When you let the text establish its own anchor points—darkened skies, cloud returns, and global shock—the entire book shifts into a clear, unified witness: when Christ appears on the clouds, the tribulation ends, the saints are gathered, and His wrath begins.

Rather than a single, continuous chronology of non-repeating events or a strict recapitulation of visions, the timeline of Revelation unfolds as a series of independent, parallel visions that repeatedly depict the exact same climatic end-time events from different perspectives.

[RobLee @RobertL215]

His coming is physical, visible and an active, public unveiling.

Never hidden or secret.

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

4 Greek Words That Define Christ’s Return
A text-first look at the terms used by the Apostles to describe the coming of Christ.

1. Parousia — The physical arrival and abiding presence: coming / presence.
2. Epiphaneia — The visual manifestation: appearing / brightness.
3. Apokalupsis — The public uncovering: revelation / unveiling.
4. Erchomai — The active movement: coming / arriving.

Word 1: Parousia (παρουσία)

Definition: Noun. Physical presence, arrival, or being alongside. In ancient Greek, it specifically designated the official, high-profile visit of a king or dignitary to a city. In the New Testament, it denotes Christ’s bodily arrival and presence on Earth.

Common Usage Example: 2 Corinthians 10:10 (ESV):
"For they say, 'His letters are weighty and strong, but his bodily presence (parousia) is weak, and his speech of no account.'"
(Refers simply to Paul physically standing in the room.)

Occurrences Regarding Christ's Return:

• Matthew 24:3 — "Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming (parousia) and of the end of the age?"

• Matthew 24:27 — "For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming (parousia) of the Son of Man."

• Matthew 24:37 — "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming (parousia) of the Son of Man."

• Matthew 24:39 — "...and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming (parousia) of the Son of Man."

• 1 Corinthians 15:23 — "But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming (parousia) those who belong to Christ."

• 1 Thessalonians 2:19 — "For what is our hope or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord Jesus at his coming (parousia)? Is it not you?"

• 1 Thessalonians 3:13 — "...so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus with all his saints."

• 1 Thessalonians 4:15 — "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming (parousia) of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."

• 1 Thessalonians 5:23 — "May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely... at the coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ."

• 2 Thessalonians 2:1 — "Now concerning the coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him..."

• 2 Thessalonians 2:8 — "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming (parousia)."

• James 5:7 — "Be patient, therefore, brothers, until the coming (parousia) of the Lord."

• James 5:8 — "You also, be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming (parousia) of the Lord is at hand."

• 2 Peter 1:16 — "For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming (parousia) of our Lord Jesus Christ..."

• 2 Peter 3:4 — "They will say, 'Where is the promise of his coming (parousia)?'"

• 2 Peter 3:12 — "...waiting for and hastening the coming (parousia) of the day of God..."

• 1 John 2:28 — "And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming (parousia)."

[RobLee @RobertL215]

@farman4x Clearly 4

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@WonderWomaNinja Francine could be hard to spell for some people... Could be Franseen or Franscene 😅

[RobLee @RobertL215]

This is chilling but so true!

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

So you’re hosting a family dinner.
The house is full of laughter, plates are being set, and the food is hot on the stove.

Suddenly, total blackness.

Your first thought is minor annoyance: Did a transformer blow down the road, or is this scheduled maintenance I wasn't aware of?

You look toward the dining room window, expecting broad daylight to flood the room. Nothing. The glass is a wall of pitch black.

You pull out your phone. The screen is completely dead!

You open the front door and step onto the porch into the middle of the day, but the world outside is plunged into an absolute, suffocating darkness.

No sun. No moon. No stars.
No city glow on the horizon, no cell towers blinking in the distance, no airplane lights across the clouds.

Then, the ground shudders under your feet with a massive, violent earthquake, throwing you to the ground.

You look up from the dirt as the physical atmosphere of the earth tears open, rolling back like a scroll.

You feel like you’re hallucinating as your eyes look directly into the open throne room of heaven.

Sitting upon the throne is the Lamb—the Son of Man—appearing in power and great glory, filling the entire vault of the darkened sky.

Every single eye sees Him coming on the clouds.

You remain face-down in absolute, overwhelming terror. You know instantly who He is.

In a split second, you realize you denied Him, and every argument you ever made collapses. You mocked Him as "the invisible sky god"—and yet here He is, filling the heavens, arriving in justified wrath.

The laws of physics have broken down. Time as you know it has stopped. Life is not going back to normal.

A wave of panic takes over your body as you scramble to find shelter. If you can just hide in a basement, a storm shelter, or under the debris, maybe you’ll be safe.

But deep down, you know physical rock cannot hide you from the Creator of the universe. Pleading ignorance is impossible.

It is too late!

* * *

It could have been very different.

The lights go out. You step outside—not even realizing you just passed through a closed door—your eyes fixed completely on the sky.

You look up and see Jesus appearing on the clouds in power and glory.

You reach out, grab your spouse’s hand, and as the gravity of Earth loses its grip, you both slowly drift upward to meet Him—beaming with joy, hands raised to the sky, crying out: "Hallelujah!"

"As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking..."
— Matthew 24:37-38

"For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night."
— 1 Thessalonians 5:2

"Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and He will destroy its sinners from it."
— Isaiah 13:9

"Is not the day of the Lord darkness, and not light? Even very dark, with no brightness in it?"
— Amos 5:20

"The sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood... and the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up..."
— Revelation 6:12-14

"And they said to the mountains and rocks, 'Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!'"
— Revelation 6:16

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened... and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
— Matthew 24:29-30

​"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect..."
— Matthew 24:31

"Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments..."
— Revelation 16:15

"You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times."
— Matthew 16:3

" And what I say to you, I say to all: WATCH!"
— Mark 13:37

[RobLee @RobertL215]

This is a physical kingdom on Earth, headquartered in Jerusalem...

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

Inhabitants in the Coming Kingdom

​1. Israel's Extended Lifespan:
"No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old..."
— Isaiah 65:20

​2. Surviving Nations Worship the King:
"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
— Zechariah 14:16

​3. Resurrected Believers Reign With Him:
"Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
— Revelation 20:6

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

Prophecy will play out exactly as God intended.

He won't be influenced by our personal opinions or the most popular theories.

Yet, He expects us to be actively searching the scriptures and watching the signs.

[RobLee @RobertL215]

I don't see any conflict with theses statements do you?

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The Rapture According to Scripture

When you line up the direct statements of Jesus, Paul, and John, a complete and unified picture of the Rapture emerges:

1. The Timing of the Rapture: Living saints are caught up immediately after the dead in Christ are raised.

"And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds..."
— 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17

2. The Resurrection is "The First": Scripture labels this event as the "first resurrection," leaving no biblical basis for an earlier resurrection of believers.

"This is the first resurrection. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished."
— Revelation 20:5

3. The First Resurrection Includes Tribulation Martyrs: Those executed during the Tribulation are included in this first resurrection, placing the event after the Tribulation.

"Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus... and they lived and reigned with Christ... Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection."
— Revelation 20:4, 6

4. Jesus Placed the Resurrection on "The Last Day": Jesus taught that He Himself will raise up all believers on the last day.

"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."
— John 6:40

5. Instant Transformation of Living Saints: Living believers are transformed from mortal to immortal bodies instantaneously, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.

"We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye... the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
— 1 Corinthians 15:51–52

6. The Location of the Gathering: Both the resurrected and transformed living saints rise into the clouds to meet Jesus in the air as He descends.

"...caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air."
— 1 Thessalonians 4:17

7. Accompanying Audible Signals: The gathering occurs with a shout, the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God.

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God."
— 1 Thessalonians 4:16

8. The "Last Trumpet": Paul specifically states this happens at the "last trumpet"; the same seventh and final trumpet where the dead are judged and rewarded.

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound..."
— 1 Corinthians 15:52

"And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints..."
— Revelation 11:15–18

9. Post-Tribulation Timing: Jesus taught that the gathering of the elect happens immediately after the tribulation of those days when He appears in the clouds.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days... they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
— Matthew 24:29–30

10. Angelic Gathering: Jesus taught that He will send His angels with a trumpet sound to gather His elect.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds..." — Matthew 24:31

*Every point above is anchored directly in clear, explicit Scripture.
If you hold a different view on the timing or description of these events, which specific scripture text contradicts any of these ten statements?

#BibleProphecy #Rapture #PreTrib

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Notice that "In the later years...." implies before the end, before the Messiah returns.

Prophecy of modern day Israel:

Ezekiel 38:8

"After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely."

#AmYisraelChai

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Scripture is clear there is no pre trib Rapture.

However, for those who believe that the woman represents the church, here are some considerations:

The 12 stars represent Israel.

Israel brought forth the messiah, not the church. Jesus established His church.

A remnant of Israel will be protected through the tribulation to live into the kingdom.

There is a clear distinction between the two groups: the woman, and those with the testimony of Jesus.

The woman is protected from the dragon.
The Church is persecuted by the dragon.

"And they loved not their lives even unto death."

Ultimately, viewing the woman as the church risks supporting the idea that God has replaced Israel. But we cannot dismiss the facts: Jesus is physically returning to the Mount of Olives, He will reign from Mount Zion in Jerusalem, and He will sit on King David's literal throne. God is not done with Israel!

[RobLee @RobertL215]

@therealworld_ai The moral: If you're going to gamble, don't lose your head!

[RobLee @RobertL215]

@strongvoice @johnhaller54 Interesting and not surprising. Nothing we can do about it now. It's going to get worse not better

[RobLee @RobertL215]

Honest study and teaching is more important that promoting your view.

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

I think words matter. Specific details should not be skewed to support a doctrine.

A well known podcast recently claimed that the word 'harpazo' meaning "caught up with force" is rarely used in the NT.

He explains that when Paul described his being caught up to the 3rd heaven in 2 Corinthians 12, this is one of the only other uses of the word, thus proving the pre-trib rapture means to be instantly snatched up to heaven, even though the literal words are "caught up together with them in the clouds."

The following was my reply:

As amazing as that sounds, let's be completely honest. There are actually 14 uses of this exact root verb in the New Testament.

It is a common Greek word that simply means a sudden, forceful grab. It is used for violent mobs, wolves, and Roman soldiers—not just heavenly translations.

​In 1 Thessalonians 4:17, the word is written in the future tense (harpagesometha), meaning "we shall be caught up."

​More uses...

​Acts 8:39: The Spirit caught away Philip and dropped him off 20 miles away in Azotus. (herpasen - past tense)

​Matthew 11:12: The violent take the kingdom by force (harpazousin - present/plural).

​Matthew 13:19: The wicked one comes and catcheth away the seed. (harpazei - present)

​John 6:15: The crowd tries to take Jesus by force to make Him king. (harpazein - present/infinitive)

​John 10:28: No man shall pluck them out of My hand. (harpasei - future)

​Acts 23:10: Roman soldiers take Paul by force out of a violent riot. (harpasai - infinitive)

​Jude 1:23: Actively saving others by pulling them out of the fire. (harpazontes - present participle/plural)

​The word doesn't mean "caught up to heaven." It is used in 1 Thess. to describe the sudden, powerful nature of the action when Christ gathers us at His visible coming (parousia) in the air.

#pretrib #eschatology

[RobLee @RobertL215]

@BaljitDutchFong @Tablesalt13 Do all their members live within 2 blocks? If not, how loud does it need to be to reach them all?
How is a loudspeaker practical?

A loudspeaker is for the purpose of sending a message to all within hearing distance.

Therefore their goal is to make their presence known to all.

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

@swinnydinny @lukeappleton Here's how I see it...

If an enemy beat your bride
(the tribulation)...

What would you do to him?
(God's Wrath)

[RobLee @RobertL215]

This actually makes sense!

[The Seven Visions Project @7VisionsProject]

🧹 The Wheat and Tares Resolved

Does a farmer burn the weeds while his wheat is still standing in the field? Of course not. You’d lose the whole crop.

But, do you put your kitchen chairs in storage just to sweep the floor? No. You just set them up on the table so you can get the dirt out from under them.

The Resurrection of the Saints happens so they can be gathered in the air while the Bowls of Wrath are poured out.

The Saints aren't being "removed" from the world; they are being lifted up while the "Broom" of Wrath sweeps the Wicked from the earth.

Once the purging is finished, the Saints are placed back down on a cleaned Earth to begin the Kingdom.

So to be true to the prophecy, the Wheat and Tares grow together until the harvest, but the Wheat is elevated while the Tares are burned, so that only the Wheat remains.

#WheatAndTares #BibleProphecy #SevenVisions

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