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unfortunately the clock is ticking

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@sourskittlewx @johnsteppling @ChrisJacksonSC @factpostnews Why would there need to be a flight restriction for a GPS outage?

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@MotoFlyy @greg1t @ill_tempered_ @benigma2017

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@johnsteppling @ChrisJacksonSC @factpostnews

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@hakugenrookie @bls_instructor @benigma2017 Pressure to perform is very dangerous. Idk if they dispatch themselves, but it seemed like a normal operation. Very unfortunate.

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@benigma2017 If you're going to blame anyone, blame the terrible NOTAM system. Otherwise the pilots unfortunately descended below the MEF/OROCA for the area they were in for one reason or another. Could have been a wrong altimeter setting given SRR didn't have theirs up.

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@benigma2017 @soulkhan Because the pilots were out of IMC and accepted a visual approach, meaning they were the ones responsible for seeing and avoiding terrain. The only way this could be blamed on GPS is if they solely relied on TAWS to provide terrain awareness rather than using their eyes.

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@j_christo3 @ill_tempered_ @SpartanGnasher @benigma2017 Because pilots who accept visual approaches while in scheduled GPS jamming situations assume the risk of CFIT. Especially when charts already show safe altitudes. 91.103 requires pilots be familiar with all information prior to flight, including GPS NOTAMs.

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@MotoFlyy @greg1t @ill_tempered_ @benigma2017 They couldnt get the local altimeter setting which on that plate says the procedure is NA.

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@BirdmanAnderson @benigma2017 It is likely that the pilots relied on GPS derived TAWS which was not available during flight.

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@BirdmanAnderson @benigma2017 https://t.co/EJ6veKriJL

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@NYC2NRT @turbexaero_ @benigma2017 copying my flow cant believe it

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@zukarsky @benigma2017 CFIT is a thing that commonly happens in aviation unfortunately, it was at night time and the younger pilots flying likely got complacent with always having GPS available and were not prepared to fly without it. Likely tried flying a visual approach and got distracted.

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@LillianSoe @benigma2017 Based on what

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@wilfullyobtuse @benigma2017

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@Themiddlespeed @benigma2017 Deciding to accept a visual when you can’t do visual is poor planning. We can assume that because they accepted it, they at least believed they could see. CFIT is a major aviation issue and flying into known GPS-out conditions and not taking advantage of OROCA/MEF was a bad idea.

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@NotAnAlly1001 When you accept a visual approach you assume responsibility for visual terrain awareness and avoidance.

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@MVPatty15 @benigma2017 The GPS outage was scheduled and the ILS was not available. The flight either shouldn’t have taken off or should’ve accepted vectors to clear them of the mountains at night.

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@bls_instructor @benigma2017 If they could have taken the RNAV in, they would’ve been fine. However taking off into a NOTAMed GPS jamming situation is poor planning unfortunately. AFAIK they accepted the visual and didn’t receive vectors afterwards which would’ve protected them from terrain.

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@BrandonMH1 @benigma2017 NOTAMs said GPS jamming was happening. But even then, the ILS/LOC approach for the airport they were going to was NA when local pressure altimeter was not available, which was NOTAMed. RNAV (GPS) would not have been available due to the GPS jamming that was scheduled.

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@AmogUs20859044 @3prog4u Because their names are sick as fuck. JFK and LBJ still have a ring.