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@Alex_Ortodoxie @NeaOpsis @gavinortlund Some ppl don't have 1000s of hours to figure out various systems, the shortcut is to focus on contentious friction points. That's how I approached it & I have more time than most. Can't speak for everyone but I can look through the mudslinging. Makes it more engaging 2 🤷

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@JayDyer The Path to Christianity. McGuckin at 29.

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@JayDyer They don't understand that Jay debates in the ancient style:

"Most ancient apologetics are robust in a way that shocks the modern reader... [t]he ancients were not in the business of listening with irenic pacifism... [t]hey were trained as win-all controversialists."

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@nicholasdetejas @cakealda @matthew_sede They're still all subject to the pope so is it really that different? The theology of Eastern Orthodox is so fundamentally at odds with Catholicism I'm not sure how Uniates find it workable. You really have to go full Orthodox to avoid the pope.

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@reconquistaman @JayDyer @TateTheTalisman The Arians completely outnumbered Athanasius, does this mean you think we should all be Arians?

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@touseforwarface @CultureExploreX @Inevitablewest @grok USA used Kurds to fight Isis in Syria and Iraq, post Gulf Wary, Iraq War etc.. This relationship goes back over 5 decades.

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@Dim_Chijindu @grok @ChurchOfEquity @SethDillon @not_our_guy Didn't expect to wake up to Grok bodying everyone with TAG 😂

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@Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 In full: Hawking's earlier no boundary theory predicted if you go back in time to the beginning of the universe, it shrinks & closes off like a sphere, but this new theory is a step away from the earlier work. "Now we're saying that there is a boundary in our past," said Hertog

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 "Now we're saying that there is a boundary in our past," said Hertog.

Taming the multiverse: Stephen Hawking's final theory about the Big Bang | Features: Faculty Insights https://t.co/aElKKSAQAZ

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Yea abandon on is too strong a word, but he explicitly says they believe in a boundary now.

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Ironically, all Hawkins efforts to deny God only ended up with cosmology that is consistent with Nicene theology...

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Hawking abandoned his 1983 theory that you're speaking of. You're going to have to read his latest work developed with Thomas Hertog and published in the Journal of High Energy Physics.

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Stephen Hawking:

"The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago."

https://t.co/DUSg0377Cx

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Stephen Hawking quoted directly from linked lecture:

"The conclusion of this lecture is that the universe has not existed forever. Rather, the universe, and time itself, had a beginning in the Big Bang, about 15 billion years ago."

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 https://t.co/DUSg0377Cx

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Many prominent physicists believe that laws of nature began at the big bang including Stephen Hawkings, Georges Lemaître, Einstein etc.

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@JoshuaKbooks @Acolyte83349490 @Darb_Seyah777 Standard model of big bang posits that time began with the big bang. Go take it up with those physicists if you think they're wrong.

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@TheNimbusII @pureMetatron Even most protestants at least verbally subscribe to the homoousious formula from Constantinople 381. You arguing for one of the Arian formulations: homoian, homoiousios, heteroousious?

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@TheOtherPaul2 @SkxrtchM @anglochog @Nicholai_Korea @KingMic92357513 @C2Antiquity @jaydyer @Alex_Ortodoxie One more thing : the majority of those who voted for homoousious at Nicea I did not really believe in homoousios. They only did so because of Constantine. We know this because most went on to teach their variations of Arian theology for decades after. This all sound perspicuous?

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@TheOtherPaul2 @SkxrtchM @anglochog @Nicholai_Korea @KingMic92357513 @C2Antiquity @jaydyer @Alex_Ortodoxie As to perspicuity, our current homoousios interpretation was the minority and nearly succumbed to the myriad of competing interpretations. In Arminum, the homoians prevailed and at Seleucia the homoiousians prevailed 150-12. It really was Athanasius contra mundum.

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@TheOtherPaul2 @SkxrtchM @anglochog @Nicholai_Korea @KingMic92357513 @C2Antiquity @jaydyer @Alex_Ortodoxie Thanks to Athanasius and the Cappadocians the Trinity as we know it solidified at Constantinople 381.

Cool Athanasius fact: Although the heretic Marcion was the first to create a Bible canon it was Athanasius that was the first to list the New Testament canon we currently use.