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Former PRed Smash 4 player from CT. #1 1v1 Lebron main in Multiversus

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@Bhandstv @ghopo_txt Definitely gonna miss the game. Nothing beat locals with the boys

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@Cybren @omgitsOwlGirl @mrjeffu It was a combination of money and fear of demotion. Once you hit salary in the top 2 divisions, a losing score can send you back down to making no money. Some wrestlers were conspiring to keep each other in the salary ranks so they could continue to make money.

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@omgitsOwlGirl @mrjeffu At this low of a level in sumo there is no match fixing. no money in it. At Makuuchi it's been a different story but there has been no major match fixing scandal in a while thankfully

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Rivals 2 is sick...

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@frank__dolphin Gun can deal with the ball but other than that nah it's not event close to as bad as something like T&J or Morty

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Updated tier list for this patch. Lebron is much better now but still low mid most likely. It's a dice roll every time you queue for ranked whether or not you run into a hard counter and gaurentee losing RP, but at least its not a 50/50 anymore

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@Scepter_5 He's got dynamite as a get-off-me option and some of the best buttons in the game like his jab, dair, up air, jerry, etc. Even without up tilt its almost impossible to approach a good T&J player as LeBron. If anything I just want the ball to beat out his projectiles again.

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The sooner Tom and Jerry are nerfed into the ground, the better everyone's sanity will be. So sick of losing to up tilt spam despite it being nerfed like 3 times. I couldn't imagine entering tournaments in this game and then running into that

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@_Fatpac Weirdly enough shaggy doesn't have a good answer for the ball and since his neutral is so basic it's pretty easy to get reads that convert into kills. Maybe the other matchups are just so bad that shaggy seems even in comparison idk lol

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This is seriously how I feel about lebron right now. The vast majority of matchups are almost unwinnable.

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@BlackBoyKen I'm referring strictly to 1v1 here. 2v2s I would defer to other top lebrons since I don't play that mode.

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The new ground tech mechanic is such a big indirect nerf to lebron's combo game that I think even after this patch he's still one of the worst characters. so frustrating when characters like joker can still keep their combo routes but low tiers get punished.

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@qQuirky0_0 Yeah a lot of mid-high tiers got screwed while arya, joker, and WW remain insane. I get they are crunching for time and don't have enough dev power to make more sweeping changes but some stuff getting pushed out is just not tested or thought about enough.

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@Repentyoursin1 you have to guess their DI correctly and it only works at a very specific percent. Top tiers have stuff like this available to them at any percent and off of MUCH better jabs. I've hit this in game maybe a few dozen times but the vast majority of the time they slip out.

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How can lebron mains seriously be expected to deal with something like that in a competitive match. This is STRIPE. don't ever get me started on gizmo, joker, arya, WW, IG, or anyone else I run into 80% of the time. It's a fools errand to even attempt to grind to Grandmaster rn

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Like seriously I'm getting flashbacks to smash 4 bayo with how certain characters can completely invalidate every single option lebron has. Look at stripe's up special for example. It deletes the ball, is unpunishable with any moves from lebron's kit, and has instant recovery...

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@29_bigman @mirrormantf Yeah you really had to read the DI to get more than one loop on most characters. I really didn't see the big deal since his neutral was already so bad. It was hard to get in with him, but once you did, you could do a lot of damage. Now, he has worse damage than most of the cast.

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@mirrormantf I agree, and I think the devs need to take heed to this feedback. Nerfing an already mid character into oblivion without adding something to compensate only serves to push people away from the game. In their eyes, nerfing loops is more important than maintaining the playerbase.

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@SirBlinkerton @multiversus Yeah seriously. Both characters were reduced to having one mediocre combo with no creative permutations that allow players to show their style. Every stripe plays almost exactly the same and now Lebron will too.