@CooperGMacBride@SoteriologyA1 You don’t like what the text of scripture says. It clearly identifies Adam to have sinned, and thereby Adam all fell into sin. Adam was responsible for his sin, you are responsible for your sin.
Thank God that in Christ that sin and human striving bow to Him and call Him Lord.
@CooperGMacBride@SoteriologyA1 Not rhetorical where scripture sets the definitions.
Election and predestination does not speak of sins or acts committed in any case it speaks always of the persons foreknown from God’s determinate council regardless of deeds.
@CooperGMacBride@SoteriologyA1 God can both decree/author what will and not be responsible for human sin.
Sovereignty should be thought from God down to man, not man trying to understand his will by human philosophy. If He reveals it as such, it is so, the mortal cannot judge Him or call Him unfair.
@CooperGMacBride@SoteriologyA1 A puppet is made of straw, or cloth or wood. Humans are not. Puppet analogy fails. A puppet cannot be responsible for any action. A human being can.
@Jim_Gorman_2001 Sounds like you had a made up mind and found everything you needed to hold all your presuppositions and then just decide to bitch about it.
@rabbriansamuel He didn’t come to establish Judaism, He came to fulfill the Torah and all that was prophesied. Judaism is what Torah became, Christ is what Torah is suppose to be in fulfillment. No one could keep it, Jew or Gentile but Christ as God-Man did.
@italiathetruth “In this life you will have tribulations, but behold I have overcome the world.”
Speaking to the Jews of His generation.
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be (Matthew 24:21, ESV)
🚨 The Job 1:21 Dilemma 🚨
And Job said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” — Job 1:21
🤔 Think about the framework... Proponents of LFW, Provisionism, constantly reject and mock any framework where God acts as an ultimate cause behind a storyline level event. They claim that if an external agent... whether man, the Sabeans, or Satan... is actively making a choice on the timeline, then God cannot be an active cause without "puppeting" or "forcing" those characters.
It is the exact same maneuver they try to pull with Pharaoh. When Scripture says... both... that God hardened Pharaoh's heart... and... that Pharaoh hardened his own heart, they completely disconnect the text. They use their free will arguments to assert a strict either/or: it is... either... God... or... Pharaoh, but it can never be both/and.
They are doing the exact same thing in the book of Job. On their logic, it cannot be that "The Lord" is God taking away Job's life, wealth, and family through the storyline-level means of Satan and human raiders.
They reject that ☝🏼 "Calvinism" as foolishness.
Therefore, by their own rule, since Satan and the raiding armies are the explicit agents acting on the timeline,... God must be completely removed from the equation as a cause, whether ultimate or proximate. To include God would be to admit that He... Determined... it, which in their system means He "puppeted" or "forced" Satan.
With God completely removed as a valid option by the very foundation of their own anti-Calvinist framework, the question must be asked:
🤔 On Provisionism, who is "The Lord" that specifically "took away" Job's health, wealth, and family?
🚩 On Provisionist logic, the reader is left with ONLY one possible conclusion: Satan is "The Lord" who took it all away in that verse.
So... on Provisionism Satan is "The Lord" who "took away" Job's health, wealth, and family while God merely stood back, foreknew, observed and allowed it for no reason.
Simple question:
Who "took away" Job's health, wealth, and family... on Provisionism?
#Calvinism vs #Provisionism
@italiathetruth Do you call everyone who holds to fulfillment theology in this manner? If so you should check your heart. Because we love the ancient people of God, we love the Israelites and all Semitic groups, but know we all fall under the same sentence of death with Christ as our cure.
@italiathetruth Dispensationalism invented replacement theology, and displaced the promise to all nations that the true Israel, Jesus Christ will unite many nations in a new race, remade inside out into a new people. It’s called fulfillment. The old is not forgotten, those outside brought in.