@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish But that can't be the determining factor for person hood. Children end up in the NICU all the time that need help breathing, yet not a single one would be consdiered any less of a person.
I don't think we're gonna reach common ground on this and honestly that's ok. I just
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish Fair, but I actually did say both. I even said "biological miracle" first. As far as the significance, it's fair to say using lungs for air is significant, but I was referring to developmentally. The lungs have already developed and are just being used for the first time.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish Child in the womb is widely accepted. Have you never heard of a woman being "with child?"
Being born, as in leaving the womb. There is no significant biological change that happens to the child. You're playing word games to justify dehumanizing a human being until it's born.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish I'll say, it's pretty obvious I was using "accept" here interchangerbly with you saying a woman birthing and claiming the child. But as you have clearly demonstrated you will be a stickler for proper definitions, until it no longer suits you.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish A child in the womb is correct and widely accepted terminology. And again, there is no biological miracle that transforms a fetus into an infant at the moment of birth. The child after birth is the same child in the womb.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish A child in the womb is as much of a child as a new born infant. There isn't some biological miracle that happens at that exact moment to the child giving them full fledged rights.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish No, there is no automatic leniency for trauma. Midication can reduce punishments, but that is not exclusive to child neglect. Choosing birth as the moment a women "accepts" the child as her own and becomes responsible for them doesn't hold up to scientific scutiny or consistency.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish That's not the legal definition of self defense. Just as you pointed out abortion doesn't meet the legal definition for murder.
And if you want to really play the consent game, child neglect can't be valid then either. Because how can you owe labor from your body to a newborn?
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish Why do you insist on being a stickler for the legal definition of murder, but then misinterpret self defense to how you see fit? It is extrememly rare that it is necessary to kill the child to save the mother.
@batboysagogo@egregious_poop@Fenianmoder@anarchoboognish Correct. As you stated, there are valid reasons for taking a life. Only convienience isn't one. That distinction is why pro-choicers have to sell abortion as something else other than the killing of a human.
@memeticsisyphus The deli example only holds if you have two lines with 2 windows servicing employees and you can't tell the 2nd window is closed until youre in line. Yes, you can argue that there are warnings but if everyone merges right as soon as there's a warning then you have the same issue.
@RichNowMedia@The_real_Karzir@Not_the_Bee If you genuinely think this is a woke, then you are an ally to the woke. Arguing that people of color and taking the one screenshot of a character not looking her best make this game woke trash, you radicalize people AGAINST your position. Stop being irrational and unreasonable.
@Giarc1982_2@ronrule@Rabadash2 But when you repay the loan, you're paying with income that has already been taxed. So if you pay an income tax for taking out the loan, then you repay the loan with already taxed income, you paid 2x income tax.