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[Romario Chevez🇨🇺🔻 @ChevezRomario]

From the Portuguese, French, Dutch, Spanish etc, they've all used "collective trauma" justifications, go look at the foundations of Afrikanernasionalisme in South Africa, it uses "collective trauma, existential threat, and historical grievance" to mobilise supremacy. Boer complex

[Jairo I. Fúnez-Flores @Jairo_I_Funez]

To identify as a Nazi was complicated and contradictory. It didn’t have to “make sense”. There were millions of people who identified as “Nazis”, often in very pragmatic ways. They just wanted a homeland deeply rooted in blood and soil. This didn’t make them “racist”.

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@Psychic_Rina Exactly. This same argument could also be used by Nazis and Boers in South Africa. Statistically, all mass movements are going to have at least some people who believe in a benign version of a concept that is abstracted from material reality. Zionism isn't special in that sense.

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@jizzzzwiz @souljagoyteller Funny how that exact same argument could be used by Nazis and Boers in South Africa. Statistically, all mass movements are going to have at least some people who believe in a benign version of a concept that is abstracted from material reality.

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@CoralWeezer @RefrmDemocracy The point was to make it seem like the genocide in being Gaza is being carried out but Christian Zionists. It's not. The IDF terrorists sniping Palestinian toddlers are overwhelmingly Jewish Zionists. That is also a factual statement.

[Tiberius @tiberiusfiles]

Ethnically cleansing Kenya because my ancestors came from there 2.5 million years ago and screaming in pain every time anyone criticises me

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket Obviously it is a political consequence of material conditions. But so is white supremacy. Everything can be attributed to material conditions that precede it but that doesn't mean you can't talk about that system on its own

[safia aidid @safiyaaaay]

Identities are complicated and contradictory. They don’t need to “make sense.” There are millions of people who identify as “Rhodesians,” often in very pragmatic ways. They believe that Whites should have a homeland in southern Africa, period. This does not make them “racist.”

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket + in context of Palestine MUST invariably turn into a discussion of an a priori system?

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket Because I am not required to have that answer. You and I both agree that white supremacy can be treated as being/having it's own origin that requires no a priori system to blame when you are talking about white supremacy. So why does every discussion of Jewish supremacy +

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket + these as starting points of analysis- a pragmatic decision. I am not going gatecrash a conversation abt patriarchy and try to turn it into a conversation abt these other systems. that would make conversation itself impossible since everything arises in context of something else

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket It comes from the same place white supremacy, capitalism, and patriarchy come from, which is to say it comes from "historical forces" which is a pointless answer because it turns into an exercise in infinite regress. So for political analysis, I am willing to treat all of +

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket Does talking about Jewish supremacy mean you think Jewish culture is evil? Because by that definitely talking about white supremacy must mean you think white culture is evil which would ironically negate your own position of not blaming culture

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@mish_aderr They are trying to coopt and redefine the word "antizionism" to mean Zionism. It's ironically a very Jewish approach to win debate. As soon you start losing, just start switching the meaning of terms that the other side is using to mean whatever favors your side

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket Ok so Jewish supremacy is also the part of the same coin. If they are all interchangeable, why do you seek to derail every conversation of Jewish supremacy by acknowledging it briefly but then immediately moving the conversation toward the other two?

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket + claiming capitalism is merely a response to ableist supremacy and therefore you need to talk about ableism. And when you talk abt ableism I will.... Well, you get the point. 😏

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket And white supremacy is an outgrowth of capitalism. So you are never allowed to discuss white supremacy on its own. Every time you discuss it, I will come & derail by saying "you need to focus on capitalism". And when you talk about capitalism, I can come in and derail that by +

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@JackNapierCPoC You are going to have a bunch of white people in your quotes telling you the Jews were just symptoms of having internalized white supremacy, and will try to steer the conversation to white supremacy. It's a deflection tactic that unfortunately works

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@cogito_yuri @Teecasket So is Jewish supremacy

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@Teecasket @cogito_yuri + Judaism. Which goes back to my original point.

[Shang @Shangaf51]

@Teecasket @cogito_yuri "every religious culture has evil"
But you don't actually believe that for one particular religion. If someone asked you to name what evil do you believe Judaism has, you will either refuse to name it, or you will name it but then attribute it to something external to +