Cleetus

I jerk off to military equipment statistics

OSINT enjoyer

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@mw7286 So let the war drag on an additional 3-6 months leading to the death of far more than the 200k the bombs did through a combination of a brutal US/Soviet naval invasion and mass starvation of the japanese civilians?

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@anniea_916 @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano 2/ Had we not dropped the A bombs Japan would've likely held for several more months, leading to mass starvation of civilians and an extremely costly US/Soviet naval invasion that would have killed far more than the nukes did

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@anniea_916 @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano 1/ The nukes were dropped on military industrial facilities that happened to be in the middle of urban conglomerations, the goal was not to kill them but to destroy the facilities they lived near that produced weapons that were prolonging the war

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@manecch @swav1337 @AquabussyArc @mxhcfc @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Not that I don't understand your philosophy, the Pacific War was a tragedy for humanity on all fronts

But Imperial Japan was definitely the one who imposed such horror upon the region and its own population as a consequence

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@manecch @swav1337 @AquabussyArc @mxhcfc @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Its not about taking away humanity, but saving as much as could be possible given the reality of the situation

Had we not dropped the A bombs, Japan would've likely held for several more months leading to an extremely costly (likely more than 200k lives) US/Soviet invasion

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@mw7286 And im no conservative, what exactly implied that?

Suppose I'd call myself a Nationalistic Democratic Socialist (think China if they had fair and equitable elections with better human rights)

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@KKabasares @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Very fair assessment, no way to know which would have been more costly to the Japanese populace

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@libinterpreter @MrLeadslinger @dubzpatriot Consequence of Russia's aggression in my view

That makes it all the more effective leverage against them

No invasion, no need to harm the Russian (and global) economy

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@KKabasares @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano 100%

But did we know that then?

There was a very common phrase in the Japanese media in 1944 and 45, "100 million souls for honor" implying the why would all die in service to their Emperor

Given the experiences of the island hopping campaign why would we not believe them

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@JakeGordon54590 @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Dawg please read back through this thread at no point was I talking about Iran or claiming they were making a nuclear weapon how did that possibly make its way into your thick skull

The Iran war is retarded and misguided, as is the current US administration

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@JakeGordon54590 @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano No? If u mean nukes that is

100k garage made Arisaka rifles or a couple thousand XMY7 Okha kamikaze aircraft could kill just as many American soldiers as an atomic weapon of the time

And their is simply no proportionality in total war

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@libinterpreter @MrLeadslinger @dubzpatriot Ah I see refinery capacity being exploded is the impact I missed atleast for Diesel prices

Was wrong

The Ukranians should still do it more tho, no limits in a war for national survival

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@JakeGordon54590 @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano No

A total war against an ideologically fanatic driven foe willing to send its men en masse to their inevitable death is not any threat

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@libinterpreter @MrLeadslinger @dubzpatriot At most a 1 .2 million barrel per day reduction

Whereas the Hormuz closing is a 20 million barrel per day reduction

Where exactly did you learn this bro

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@manecch @mxhcfc @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Yes.

The Japanese leadership were not rational actors, they knew when they started the war with a surprise attack that we were both numerically and industrially superior but simply believed that we did not have the will to see a war like that to the end

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@labormilitancy @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano I agree, but we didnt know at the time the Soviet invasion of Manchuria would finally push the Japanese emperor over the edge to accept surrender

Was definitely 50% will this shit work in real conditions the way we think and 50% letting the Soviets know we got that shit on us

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@veeiss_ @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano The US's aim wasn't collective punishment but the annihilation of all Japanese industry that could help their war efforts, simply a horrendous downstream effect of the Japanese government pursuing a total war against us

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@mxhcfc @manecch @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano Never claimed they deserved their horrendous fate, simply that it was the correct move for us to win the war as quickly as possible saving more lives in the long run

[Cleetus @SmithTheMidget]

@manecch @kamadosteppin @ArtCrunchy @ArizonaDano There are no good guys in war

The US killing all those civilians was atleast a means to an end, destroying their highly dispersed military industry that was amongst their civilian population

Whereas with the Japanese it was 90% simple sadism